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Old 05-21-2007, 11:24 PM   #81
AV symptoms

I'm sorry to hear about your babies. I'm struggling with the same situation. The vet told me not to freeze the body but to refrigerate. I took my female the next morning and they used some solution to fix the body and send it to the lab at Texas A&M. Etouffee tested negative for AV. All of her eggs have gone bad.

Elvira layed at the same time and I had 1 egg out of almost 30 begin hatching Saturday evening. Today the head is exposed and some toes but the baby hasn't moved at all that I have seen up until now and I believe it is dead. I put it in a dish in the incubator on a wet paper towel to see if it moves at all during the night - most of it is still in the shell. I haven't tested the mother of this baby.

I did spend over $200 on Etouffee's necropsy so what your vet said is in line with what I paid. A&M did advanced slide studies of internal organs under electron microscope to rule out AV.

There is a posting under infectious diseases on where people list symptoms they have experienced with AV in their BDs. I'm putting the link but I don't know if it will go through to post or not.

I hope some of that information helps you and I'm very sorry about your babies. Angie
Old 04-29-2010, 03:32 PM   #82
I'm probably going to regret jumping into this thread but here goes nothing.

I was wondering does anyone know how the adeno virus started or what causes it. Other then it just being passed on verticaly, fecal-oral, or through an intermediate host. I guess i'm looking for what is the defect exactly.

I have been reading alot and noticed that some of the symptoms of this virus is lack of growth, weak immune system, on top of the rest. I had friend while back who had a clutch of eggs that were growing really slow. They got sick sometime after hatching maybe 6-8 weeks in. At the time we thought they had gotten sick from another dragon had purchased which had decent amount of parasites. But we were able to treat and save the larger part of the group out of 30 he lost 2. But after that incident they continued growing slowly. They never got sick again but after the last time i saw them. Some were growing and others were still rather small. I myself had dragons the same age as his and were more then double the size.
Old 08-04-2011, 02:00 PM   #83
Chris Wilkinson
What to do

Confused here looking to get into dragons with my son. Are all of you saying that dragons are infected and will die.

Do you suggest buying overseas?

Can you request a test from the breeder?

Is this fatal always?

I have a black throat monitor can this be passed to him?

What risks to other reptiles?

Just looking for answers if there are any?

Chris W, Meadow Lakes Alaksa
Old 08-04-2011, 02:09 PM   #84
If you see how old this thread is and that not all Dragons have died off I think you're safe!

Old 08-04-2011, 05:28 PM   #85
Chris Wilkinson

My son and I have been looking into beardies to brred here in Alaska. Justa little confused so can some one answer the following:

1. Are all Beardies infected in America?

2. Are breeders testing and can one ask for test results before purchase?

3. If you buy one what is it life expectency if positive?

4. Do you suggest purchasing from an overseas breeder?

5. Can a beardie be a vector to another reptiles i.e., Black Throat Monitors?

6. Seems like a self inflected wound right or wrong?

Thanks for any help , I 'm more confused now then before
Old 09-24-2011, 06:13 PM   #86

Hello Chris,

Sorry to hear it is so confusing, but with thread I can see why. I will try to answer your questions more thoroughly for you.
Not all dragons who have Adeno die, some do while some don't. It greatly depends on immune system function when hatched & the genetics. There has been a lot of inbreeding which also decreases the hardiness of the reptiles, as well.
I do not know exact stats only that a lab that I work with who does PCR testing, has stated that approximately half of the tests are negative and the other half are positive, that he has personally dealt with.
Personally, working with a breeder in Canada who has tested her entire colony for me, has attained an all negative colony. She has one negative dragon who she has kept because he is so special. He has had his share of health issues but at least she knows why he has trouble now when previously before testing she just had no answers.
A breeder in Australia has a negative colony & I am working on getting a few more to test for me.
I have random tests everywhere really, even one in Dubai which is negative. It was imported from Czech Republic to the pet store where she purchased.

The problem lies with not enough people testing to find out where it is heavily concentrated. This has always been the problem. That is why I am not on this board anymore due to ridicule. That doesn't mean I haven't been working & researching, quite the contrary. I work with people that have ill dragons from a variety of things. What we have seen is a lot of dragons that are dying too young, with liver failure, etc. This virus directly affects the liver. Since we are not able to "see inside" them without surgery, we are not always able to head off any future health problems until it is too late.
If you would like more information on how to test for a very very affordable price, just let me know.

To answer the rest of your questions.

1) No, not all dragons have the Adeno virus. It has been proven that they do not all have the Adeno virus.
2) If any breeders in the US are testing, then they are doing it in secret or I have not heard about it. At one point a few did, but they no longer do. Some may be happy to test for you, but most do not see the value in it.
3) The life expectancy greatly varies. Some that are infected with it die almost immediately, while others may be able to live a full life. It depends on how badly affected the liver is, their genetics, the husbandry, etc, as to how long he or she may live.
4) Purchasing from overseas, you may get more negatives. However, keep in mind that most have imported from the US as well.
5) No, the Adeno virus is species specific. Thus, if one species of reptile or even a mammal contracted Adeno virus it would not affect the other species in the same manner as its original host. It is still not a good idea to mix species or house positive & or negatives together. The route is still known to be mainly fecal to oral route of transmission. It is not known to be airborne, but can be picked up in respiratory droplets.
6) No, a self inflicted wound does not increase chances of infection rates.

Please PM me here on the board, I just don't want to get too involved in the thread, if that is alright. I would appreciate it.


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