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10-01-2004, 11:45 AM
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At what point do you help the egg?
I have a clutch of eggs that started sweating a couple of days ago. Then yesterday morning, one of the eggs collapsed but the hatchling is still inside. I can see very clearly the outline of its body shape, body markings. I haven't tried cutting the egg open because the hatchling hasn't pipped the shell yet, but now I'm wondering if it's going to suffocate. The egg shell is laying over the baby like plastic wrap. At what point should I intervene? I'm fearing the worst.
The other egg doesn't have any signs of hatching other than the sweating. I suspect this one might be infertile though. If any of you remember the pic I posted awhile back of the unusually large eggs I had, this is that same clutch.
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10-01-2004, 12:41 PM
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I had a similar situation with my eggs a few months ago. I noticed 1 of the eggs had collapsed a little after about 30 days or so. I thought they were drying out but they had enough humidity so I thought it was just a bad egg. But about a week later I look in the incubator to see a little hatchling laying in the corner and the other egg had started to collapse. So about another week or so later I wake up and see the little coming out of the egg. I couldnt I had actually caught it while hatching. Im not sure about your egg as you say its completley collapsed around the leos body? I would still wait as Ive heard alot of people say collapsed eggs and moldy eggs can still hatch. Do you have a pic of the egg? I hope everything turns out ok and you have another little one at ad to your collection. Keep us posted.
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10-01-2004, 12:57 PM
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How long has the clutch been incubating? I would leave it alone for now. The baby knows when it’s time to hatch so it will. If the egg starts turning brown, molds up and smells then you know the baby is still born. Just give it some more time. As for the other egg try candling it. Shine a bright light inside and if it’s pink it’s fertile and yellow if it’s infertile. Good luck and let us know what happens.
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10-01-2004, 01:01 PM
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eggs
Olivia,
If the eggs are due to hatch, I would probably go ahead and open the collapsed egg. If they are not due, then take a piece of moss and get it wet, wringing out the excess water, and spread it out over the top of the egg.
There are also times when I 'pip' the egg, like when one baby hatches and after 2 days the second egg still has not. I use a small pair of cuticle scissors and cut a tiny slit in each end of the egg, and then patch the ends with a small piece of torn paper towel to prevent any leakage.
I am in no way suggesting that this should be a commonplace practice, and it's always a gamble on whether you are actually 'helping' or not. After all, it's really Mother Nature's way of assuring that only the strongest offspring survive when they can get out of the egg on their own.
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10-01-2004, 02:00 PM
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Thanks for the quick replies! I'll take a pic when I get home in a few hours.
This clutch seems overdue. It's been incubating at 80 degrees for well over 70 days. I need to check my calendar to count the exact number of days, but I think it might even be over 80.
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10-01-2004, 05:58 PM
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Okay, here are a couple of pictures:
I wish I could show better details. The head is very obvious, and you can discern the white jaw from the black head and even the indention where the eye is.
I just checked, and this clutch has incubated for 85 days.
I think I may just leave the egg alone. I have a hunch the baby is still alive, and I want to let nature do its thing. I moved the eggs to a warmer location to see if that will help, because the weather has been rainy and slightly colder the last couple of days. I assume the higher temps wouldn't do any damage by now seeing how the baby is fully developed.
Regarding the other egg, I think it might be unfertile because the color doesn't look right. It's only odd that it's been able to stay plump and firm for this long. Actually, it hasn't felt firm ever since it started sweating.
Any more advice would be appreciated.
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10-01-2004, 07:04 PM
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:)
from what i read ....eggs will colapse when they are ready to hatch ! although i have had a very firm egg (seemed good ) inc. at 89 degrees for 35 days , that was completely infertile , but looked and felt good until the 35th day , then collapsed ! so i had expected a hatchling to come from it , but there was nothing inside ! i also hear that infertile eggs will mold or rot before they are due to hatch , but not in this case !! it was strange , the egg got bigger and more firm ,like it was fertile , and stayed in great condition , only until the time it would have hatched ! then collapsed , so im not sure how it incubated for sooo long ! not so sure on this but i think it should have hatched by now , i(personally ) would probably decide to pip that one
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10-01-2004, 07:29 PM
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hmmm...
Olivia, based on experience I would not count on that egg to hatch on it's own. Once they get that shriveled, the shell becomes too thick and rubbery for the hatchling to get out.
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10-01-2004, 07:51 PM
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Well Olivia, those eggs don’t look to good. The collapsed one seems to me like it’s still born and the other one might be the same thing if it’s fertile. It probably would be best to leave them but 85 days is a long incubation and they should have hatched by now.
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10-01-2004, 08:30 PM
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Okay, I cut open the egg. It was stillborn.
I'm not sure what to make of this. Did I cut it too early or too late? Was there something I should have done differently?
The other egg is definitely infertile. I haven't opened it, but it feels soggy. I don't think there's anything inside, but I'll still keep incubating it.
The stillborn had its eyes open. I cut the egg on the head end first, and then when there was no reaction from the baby, I cut the rest of the shell off. It had a fully developed cute little perfect body.
These eggs were also abnormally large, so I don't know if that had to do with anything. My female laid one more clutch after this one. Those eggs are normal-sized and developing normally.
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