Hello my name is Amy Moses and I own and operate CalicoDragons. Ive been breeding and selling dragons for over 10 years now. I recently saw an ad here on Fauna posted by John(A&J Dragonz) and was interested so I contacted him and he seemed very nice and got back to me quickly. Once we got the price figured out and we got into shipping cost I asked for a quote per my zip code and he said he would just charge me a flat rate. I thought Great! And then we setup that I was going to send payment through paypal. He then asked me to send payment as a "gift" so he would avoid the fee's paypal charges to save himself money. I should have known then something wasn't right. I ended up sending it as a regular sale after talking with him explaining that I believe as another business person that uses paypal that the fee's should be handled by the seller since its a service paypal is giving you. He wasn't happy but said fine.
The dragon got shipped and by 10:30am the day it was going to arrive it hadn't yet. I got a bit worried and called up Fedex to find out what happened and he ended up sending at as an "end of day" to save money. Well here in south Florida the trucks are not ac'ed and temp.s average in the 90's and higher in the shade. So one can imagine how hot a truck in the sun can get and then how hot being in that truck and in an enclosed box would be like. I ended up getting Fedex to give it a priority service label after telling them it was a live animal and had the box by 1pm. I opened it to find a very hot dragon with no cold packs what so ever. The poor thing made it but was very lucky. I let him know that it was safe and sound by that it was very hot where I am and to be very careful with other dragons he ships out and to make sure next time he checks temp.s I also informed him that it looked to be a male and I purchased it as a female making sure he had a health and gender guarantee. Which before I sent payment he assured me on. He then said he was very sure it was a female and that I should wait and give it time to be 100% certain it was in fact a male before shipping it back for a replacement. I kept in touch with him almost every day and after another couple past I contacted him letting him know the baby wasn't adjusting very well even for only having it 4 days it wasn't eating but the bare minimum and was stressed all day. I kept it alone and in a bin that it could not see any other dragons. By the time he got back to me about the baby not doing well it had passed away. I let him know and he said he was sorry and asked for pictures. I sent them and he informed me that he would have more females babies in 2 weeks. After going back and forth about the value or of the one I bought to what he was selling them at after I bought mine I decided I would just rather not deal with this anymore and simply asked for a refund. From that message on I have never heard back from him. I text him once a day and called once a day for 4 days and left 2 messages. Never got back to me. So the next business day which was Monday I called up paypal to try and get a refund. Which the claim was setup and paypal e-mailed him about the issue he got back to them within the hour and sent them the tracking information showing he sent the dragon and it was delivered. I called paypal back and found out that since the "product" was shown to be delivered he wasn't responsible for anything and then I was told paypal does not cover live animals. We even tried our credit card company but again they wouldn't cover live animals. So at this point I have no dragon and im out $400. I am posting this so other people know to avoid doing business with someone like this and to save them the hassle I went through. I text him asking him to just talk with me so we could settle this like mature adults but of course no replies back. Don't waste your money or time dealing with this man. I learned the hard way and it cost me $400!
Amy Moses
Here are our text messages.....
Date/time:
Thursday 21st 8:06pm
From Us....
Hey John, I'm still pretty sure it's a male n it still hasn't adjusted yet n only eats the bare minimum
Just stressed all day n that doesn't seem healthy to me for such a small guy
Only eating 1 or 2 crickets a day no greens n I have to put it in the water bowl or it won't drink
Even tried some silkworms n roach nymphs but wasn't interested
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From Him....
Hey there. Yea it prob was stressed but should be getting better. As long as it is eating anything I wouldn't be too worried. And mine never really drink out of the bowls often just when they get baths. They get a lot of water from their greens. Would you mind sending a pic of under the tail?
I'm at work. Get off at 9 and I can call then
from us....
Oh I see well I tried to call earlier to talk n left u a message
The baby died
I knew it looked bad but I wasn't expecting it to pass
from him....
Can you send pictures
from us....
I've only had it a week
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from him....
I'm sorry I will have more females in a couple weeks. I will send another if you pay shipping
I have a couple males that are around 25 grams left. One is not a dunner though
from us...
I wouldn't mind 1 bit paying shipping. N I really need females unless u have n unrelated pair? Then I wouldn't care if 1 wasn't a dunner (so like a female triple het n male triple het with only 1 that's a dunner)
from him....
No I mean I would send one to replace one
from us....
I thought we had that chat about u selling a pair of girls for $400, n I was going to buy them from u that night but u told me to hold off until we knew what gender the baby I had was. Or I would have gotten them that night
from him...
I sold the last pairs as unguaranteed sexes. If you would like a pair of females plus a replacement when they are ready I would do that. I'm sorry I made a lot of sales that week I don't exactly remember
from us....
When we were talking u told me that it was a pair of females. Cuz that's all I was interested in. I would def not have been interested in unsexed babies.
I would like a pair as a replacement since I bought a baby for $400 n it came in as the wrong gender then died on me only after having it a week. That's what I wanted to do when we talked last but u asked me to wait n see if it turned out to b a male or not. I can copy paste all our text chats if u want
promise I'm not lying
from him....
I know I sold my last two pairs of babies, one pair I was talking to you about as unguaranteed. I'm letting them get a little bigger now before I guarantee sex anyways. But I have lots more babies coming up
from us....
Ok I think then I would just like a full refund.
Friday 22nd 8:53pm
I will confirm with u when PayPal tells me the refund is complete
Saturday 23rd 10:32am
Hi John,
Did u happen to get my last 2 text messages?
Saturday 5:02pm
Hey John, still haven't heard back from you. I'm sure your busy working but if u could plz get back to me ASAP that would be appreciated. I've tried to call again n left a message. Just waiting for my refund from paypal.
Sunday 24th 12:36pm
Hello John, Still haven't heard from you and I keep trying to call. I'm sorry but if I don't hear from you by tomorrow I'm calling paypal to get my refund the rough way. Plz get back to as I would hate to do that. Thank u Amy Moses
Monday 25th 4:30pm
Hello John,
Well I'm sure by now yo know I setup a claim through paypal and they did tell me you sent the tracking info to them. I don't understand why you are not talking with me about this so we could have settled it before paypal got involved. I bough a dragon from you n then it passed away a week later. I have all our conversations and you guaranteed health and gender and said you were sorry it passed n would replace it. Why won't you just refund our money when you know we should get it back?? I don't understand why your doing this? Please get back to me so we can resolve this like mature people.
(At this point he stopped talking with me......)