Adam Block banging on the door

I have had only one truly bad experience in a snake purchase so far and at that time I stood to lose $1500 with the seller telling me "too bad". Long story..... but it was because of these two men standing up for what was the right thing to do that I DID receive a complete refund!!

Ritchie totally ferreted out the connections and did his wonderful sleuthing online and kept me up to date with his findings as well as posting them....... he chose to help because it was the right thing to do and I was surprised by how much info I wound up with.

Adam contacted the "seller" by phone after discovering this person was from his old neighborhood.... he wanted to hear the other side of the story and contacted me right after the call. We spoke at great length about the situation, potential outcome and how I may be able to get my refund.

I totally believe that it took the knowlege I gathered from BOTH Ritchie and Adam to finally obtain my refund. I have thanked both of them sincerely. It really pains me to see these two people really banging heads when I believe the bottom line is that they are both on the same side of the fence in the war against bad guys in this business. I would help either of them any way that I could as they helped me.

FWIW, Adam was very upfront about his past "mistakes" and told me a pretty fair amount about himself while we talked on the phone. Admitted that he handled a couple situations in a bad way, and wished that it would be possible to do over. He assured me that his intentions were good and that he just saw a situation that he felt he might be able to personally help.... and as it turned out, he was right.

I'm an optimist and basically like to believe that people can and do learn from their mistakes..... it seems like such a waste of time to do anything but learn from mistakes of the past and just move forward in a good way.

As a parent, I learned early..... we may not always "like" the things our children do, but that doesn't mean we don't care about them any less...... and we still love them. Even with their imperfections. Giving anyone, positive reinforcement for the things that they do in a good way is a pretty good way to get more of the same behaviour from them. There is too much good happening here to have the need to bring up this old baggage. I'd send them both to a corner to sit for a timeout and have them think about how they can overcome this obstacle.

I am very reluctant to post this.... I know once I hit submit it will be up here for all to disect word by word. I just want everyone to know upfront that I am a very independent person and have no "loyalties" to anyone other than my own sense of what's right and fair. I have had mostly excellent luck with meeting fine people in the herp community and I hope that none of those will hold it against me for strongly supporting both Adam and Ritchie and most of their actions here. I just HAD to put in my two cents because of the one "situation" I did have...... and how these guys were both great then, as I imagine they both still are. It just seems foolish to watch this "catfight" carry on any longer. I know it's hard to forget and I don't expect anyone to do so, but it's ok to forgive.

Thanks again Ritchie and Adam for your kindness toward me

Cathy Maynard

3.6.3 chondros

Ritchie, you've all together lost your mind!

As I said, don't spend 25 posts saying the same thing over and over again!

I was thinking it was 04 so as I'm sure you already knew when I spoke of the 03 show I meant the 02 show.

Only you could take an honest post and spend hours trying to poke a hole in it.

I never said 7 snakes produced 500, I said my collection was up to 500 including adults and babies and later said I'd sold my collection.

So, with that said, my reason for not going to shows was that I didn't feel I could control the quality of animals I produced and sold to people. I housed more then one snake my partner bought at a show but as I said that was after my collection was down to a pesonal collection of 7 snakes.

I think it's very common knowledge that I don't produce reptiles anymore in any numbers and I think it's your ability to run with a small mistake a person makes that accounts for you're huge oversites in the truth of a situation.

Now are you going to harp on me for years about saying 2003 when I meant 2002?

Get off it buddy, I gave you FAR more facts then you asked for two reasons.

1) You will spend HOURS trying to find things that make me look like I'm lying.

2) For $500 you couldn't find another animal I bought from a show!

I listed the animals I've bought. I mentioned why I decided to keep the snakes I did from my partner and that's the end of it.

Do you really think I was saying I had 500 snakes this year? Ritchie, have you seen my site? Have you seen any posts of snakes for sale by me? Get really my friend, like always you're blowing a small honest mistake into something it not.

Now as I said, don't waste 2 hours finding link after link after link of old quotes.

Instead remember what I'm telling you:

1) I produce ZERO snakes!

2) I make NO money off reptiles!

3) I'm not looking to get anything from anybody having to do with herps!

4) I haven't bought a snake in at least 6 months.

5) I have no interest or need in advertising on, using or posting at kingsnake.

1. He does not produce snakes. But had over 500 in 01, 02, 03.
Did he buy them from shows? which he says he doesn't
Did he produce them? Which he says he produces none

2. He has not bought anything in at least six months.
Wasn't Daytona just this past August?

3. He makes no money with reptiles.
I guess since he has over 500 animals...none of them breed.

1. If this is a typo and you meant 02. You still lied to us when you said you do not obtain from Reptile shows.

Okay you said you bought those things in 03. We know you really meant 02 because it was last year.

You're making yourself look silly. You're SO blinded by trying to get me that you're not even paying attention to what you're saying and you're misquoting me.

You've turned I into Obtain and those are your words not mine, the quote wasn't "won't obtain".

Fact of the matter is that's a mood point that you can spend months on if you'd like.

When I made the quote it was true, two months later I'd sold my collection and it wasn't true any longer as I didn't have a collection of 500 snakes to protect.

Oh yeah I remember. You say YOU don't do reptile shows.
But you never said your "partner" does not do them.

I didn't even have a partner when I said that Ritchie.

RITCHIE!!! I have 12, twelve snakes! 6 Leopard Geckos and 4 Tarantulas!

What is your point here? What do you think I'm trying to lie about?

What reason would I have for saying I don't buy from shows?

This is easy, I said I don't and have listed the animals I have bought from shows.

1) Either find somebody else that says they sold to me at a show.

2) Just shut up and get over it, you're the ONLY person here who even cares!

I haven't been to a reptile show in years! Hell, I didn't even go to the Columbia show 5 miles from my house!

It was a duel of honor with pistols when Jefferson was President.
Alex lost, but his picture is on the money.

Oh gosh...hurry hurry back peddle
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...5&pagenumber=1

You say you do not do reptile shows. You also insinuate you do not buy from reptile shows. Go ahead and read the whole thread.

I didn't even have a partner when I said that Ritchie

Very interesting indeed.

so when you said you do not do shows you did not have a partner.

Okay I am so blinded as you say .......so let me help myself see by pointing out your lies.....whoops I mean facts.

So you did not have a partner when you said that.

Check out the link
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...5&pagenumber=3
you will find this

In any event, I'm in a group of breeders that focus on quality (not that others don't). To keep that quality I don't do reptile shows, pet stores or allow visitors to my house. It's not for me to mention the breeders that do or don't agree with this forum but you can see who does and doesn't post. I sure know the flack I got for putting the BOI link on my site. I'll even keep that link there as it seems to have some use if you're new to the hobby.

Adam says he did not have a partner when he said that. That was posted on 9/23/02


Now check out this link
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...no+ball+python

8/02 My partner purchased an Albino ball python at the Daytona Show. This snake was born the same month of the show, something not mentioned at the time and only recently brought to my attention.

8/05 The animal was place in my care, was feeding fair and in good physical condition.
Over the next six weeks this snake fed five times with no troubles and seemed very healthy.

10/02 The animal was fed and two days later ended up regurgitating her meal between nine and eleven pm. Less then twelve hours later the animal was dead.

This was posted on 1/25/2003

So Adam says he did not have a partner on 9/23/02
But on August 2002 his partner bought from a show.
From 8/2002 until 10/2002 his partner housed his albino ball python at Adam's house. But now Adam says he did not have a partner. So did Adam really have the ball python that supposedly died? Is Adam lying again? What is the true story? Could this be one of those "mistakes" Adam made? Or is he just a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR?





Lets do a little recap for Adam

1) You will spend HOURS trying to find things that make me look like I'm lying.

It is because you are.

1. On 9/23/02 You posted that you do not do shows.

2. We proved that you actually did do shows.

3. We proved on august 2002 your PARTNER bought animals from a show

4. We proved that your PARTNER housed his ball python at your house from August 2002 until October 2002.

But Now you are going to say that you did not have a partner in September 2002.

I guess he is just your partner every other month.


HURRY HURRy scramble. back peddle. Say it is just another mistake to add to your LOOOONG list of lies...................eeerrr mistakes.

When I made the quote it was true, two months later I'd sold my collection and it wasn't true any longer as I didn't have a collection of 500 snakes to protect.

Interesting yet again



Lets recap some facts AGAIN...............These are FACTS according to Adam

In august of 2002 Adam and his partner obtained animals from a show......because Adam reduced his collection to 7 snakes and do not have to worry about spreading disease.

In September 2002 Adam posted that he does not do shows.
Now he is saying that he did not have a partner when he posted that. SO....In September 2002 Adam did not have a partner.

From august 2002 until October 2002 Adam housed his partners snake at his house (but he really does not have a partner)

AND In October 2002 (according to Adam's quote above) Adam sold his collection and went down to 7 snakes (AGAIN)




Back peddle.............Lie ....do something.

Ritchie, you've yet to explain why I would lie about these things?

The statement I made applied to being a vendor at shows if I'm not mistaken but the fact is I don't buy from them either. Have I in my life? Well, a time or two but that has nothing to do with the fact that I don't do shows. Will I in the future? I'm sure, but I've given my reasons for saying that and also said why my thoughts have changed.

With regard to me having a partner.

There was never any "partnership" per say made. Fact of the matter is the snake (albino ball) was kept by Derrek Roberts for the first 2 months. At the time, I was unsure if I'd wanted to stop working with my collection and Derrek was keeping everything. 9 of 2002 I still didn't have a partner or the albino ball, I didn't even know the snake would end up in my care until I ended up selling my collection.

So you know what, you've found (well I told you) that I lied about weather or not the ball was in my care at the time it was. Truth be told Derrek takes better care his animals then I do mine and the point of the post about NERD had to do with him being dishonest in representing his snakes. I "lied" because I saw no need in bringing yet another person into a thread for you to attack!

Ritchie, have you taken note that you're the only one posting in here? I think you may be the only one who still cares. I know I don't, I think just about everybody on the BOI but you has gotten over this.

Seamus, Neil and a few others, I have respect for no matter how they came/come off in here. Those men had the guts to crawl out from behind the keyboard and pick up the phone. Because they cared about answers and the truth. Ritchie, you hide behind a keyboard because you're scared to be called out. You have never had the guts to make a phone call even when the other end offered you the truth.

You've admited to posting my wifes photos on porn sites while you're a married man with a child, you speak about honor and respect, well I have far too much respect for my family to EVER do something that sleazy!

It's not the truth you look for so while you may fool some you don't fool most!

You have helped many here, it's very much so a shame for you to go down looking this silly chasing something all but you have forgotten!

Now with that said can we let this go? Why don't you just forget about me as I think your obsession with my wife and I is starting to look not only unhealthy to me but everybody else.

You will ALWAYS BLOW THINGS OUT OF PROPORTION! Just as you did the "Sold out" issue on my website and just as you did the "Shouse" thing assuming that meant Steve House and posting all that insane info when you had no clue what you were talking about!

We can go round and round for months and I'll even humor this for awhile, please just let me know when you're done! I honestly don't have as much energy as you to look at and read all those past threads so I'll take your word on it, I'm not clicking on all those links

p.s. Let me know if you have anymore naked pictures of your wife. And when you decide to send them to me AGAIN. I will be sure to post them in a couple different porn sites. Different from the ones I posted them in before.

You know, I just went and looked at what you said again!

You're a pretty SICK man to dishonor (your word not mine) your own family by doing that type of thing. To say something that stupid in a public forum I can't understand. It not only shows a huge lack of morals that you visit those sites but in addition you're an active member posting in them.

I'm not wasting any more time responding to anything you say. Anybody doubting me is welcome to call anytime and I will explain my actions or what I've done.

I don't breed reptiles so I have nothing to deffend other then the fact that I'm a pretty real guy. I see no need to spend anymore time talking to somebody who would not only have that little respect for his own wife and family but for somebody elses as well!

Ritchie, you need some real help!

You're a pretty SICK man to dishonor (your word not mine) your own family by doing that type of thing. To say something that stupid in a public forum I can't understand. It not only shows a huge lack of morals that you visit those sites but in addition you're an active member posting in them.

You're the sick man, sending people pics of your naked honey.

Ritchie, you need some real help!

Well if that ain't callin' the kettle black!

You've admited to posting my wifes photos on porn sites while you're a married man with a child, you speak about honor and respect, well I have far too much respect for my family to EVER do something that sleazy!

This never would have happened if you would've NOT sent naked pics of your old lady out.

Adam, You're either kissing someones be-hind on the forum or your trying to cover up one of your messes. Tell ya what, log out, re register, and start all over. LMHO
Bill C

Truth be told Derrek takes better care his animals then I do mine

In any event, I'm in a group of breeders that focus on quality (not that others don't). To keep that quality I don't do reptile shows, pet stores or allow visitors to my house.

Humm now these next to are interesting as well.

When I would do business with local pet stores I would often go to the back of my house and undress at the back door then go directly to my shower.

To keep that quality I don't do reptile shows,pet stores or allow visitors to my house.

You've admited to posting my wifes photos on porn sites…well I have far too much respect for my family to EVER do something that sleazy!

Ya but not enough respect to keep something like naked pictures of your wife where they should be. In your personal collection. You the nut job sending out naked pictures of your wife dude. Doesnt she feel violated by what youve done?

You have helped many here, it's very much so a shame for you to go down looking this silly chasing something all but you have forgotten!

Yes he has helped many here, but don’t forget Adam you are the one who invited him to bring this thread back to the top.

You're a pretty SICK man to dishonor (your word not mine) your own family by doing that type of thing.

Adam give us all a break hes not dishonoring his family, had you sent them to me I would have done the same thing. Your the one who dishonored you wife by sending private photos of her to complete strangers.

It not only shows a huge lack of morals that you visit those sites but in addition you're an active member posting in them.

Oh bla bla bla, whats wrong with looking at a little porn from time to time?

Hey Adam I must say you couldnt have picked a better qoute in your signature

Arguing on the internet is like fighting with a bunch crackheads, even if you win

Ya bla bla bla......heres the part I am looking for

you're still in idiot! "

LMAO!

Adam Wrote

"Ritchie, you've yet to explain why I would lie about these things?"

Can you say.....pathological liar?