Adam Block

Adam, if you had said this in the first place you wouldn't have made so many people jump on you... (hope the quote thingy works)

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It just seems that the way you originally chose to defend yourself it sounded like you were a bit of a snob. In essence you accidentally offended others to make your point about quality.

Ok. I messed it up. Here it was....

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Snakes from shows are great. &nbsp;You take them home and keep them out of your collection for a little bit and your set. &nbsp;I just don't want to deal with that headache and choose not to do them.
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hmmm....Rich = ego man

riiiiiiight.

Having blabbed on the phone with him a handful of times, he comes across as nothing but a great guy who has a lot of experience and loves sharing it and getting feedback from other's experiences. Probably why he started this board.

And you know, I've never had any issues with animals I've gotten from Rich...no mites, everything feeds like a pig. Same with a lot of other breeders. Providing clean animals isn't hard when you breed them yourself. I think of it this way...if I were the one opening the box, would I be thrilled with the animals inside? If yes, they get sold and shipped. If not, I never post them for sale or pull them if I'm not pleased with how they're doing.

I'm a hobbyist...I also work 50+ hours a week. I think I've missed 1 shipping date in the past 4 years, and thats because I was sick and couldn't haul my ass out of bed until the end of the day. I notified my customer and got the animals out the next day. It's not hard to do...communication makes the world go round.

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Do any of you buy from shows and not quarantine, I didn't
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I quarantine ANY new snake brought into my collection regardless if it was purchased from a show or an elite group.
I think I can safely say everyone does.

And as far as the comment " breeders who do show cant offer quality animals "
Well Adam we strive for top quality animals and we attend many shows each year. If you think just because you dont attend shows your animals are the best quality the reptile industry has to offer you are sadly mistaken.

Congratulations with just a few sentences you have trashed hundreds of great Breeders/ Venders.
I hope they all remember you name and refuse you sales in the future but then again you dont need any of them with your elite membership card.
Honestly I think you may be suffering from little snake syndrome....
Nicole Elliser
Owner: K&N Reptiles

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Honestly I think you may be suffering from little snake syndrome....
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Note to self...do not drink coffee or have a mouth full of something while viewing the above sentence. spam_ ROFL spam_<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> spam_<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> spam_<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

also, do not sit in a chair that you can flip yourself in.

*snort*

Nicole, you just made my day &nbsp; &nbsp;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

I'm getting a little tired of this same excuse that has seemed to become more and more prevalant in recent months.

"I'm sorry my service isn't up to your standards...I'm a hobbyist, not a breeder in business."

WHAT A LOAD!!!!!!!!!

If you take someone's money for a service or goods, you are "IN business with that one customer if no other. &nbsp;If you don't think so, try telling the IRS that you're only a hobbyist and therefore don't have to claim your sales as income! &nbsp;True, a person may not have to claim his income as such to the IRS, but that is because of the amounts involved, not because it's a hobby and the RULES don't apply!

For crying out loud! &nbsp;I can't stand it anymore out of these people. &nbsp;If you take someone's money . . .give them what they PAID for! &nbsp;What a novel idea, Huh? &nbsp;If you can't do that, don't take their money in the first place. &nbsp;Sell your stuff locally, or just keep your snakes to yourself, but don't advertise on the internet, take people's money, and then claim hobbyist statuss when you fail to come through with the goods! &nbsp; <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

Okay I've had my fun. &nbsp;I'm always amazed at how off track so called adults can get, then you bring emotion into play and you find out. &nbsp;I've yet to defend a thing I did wrong. &nbsp;I've been a big boy and admitted my wrong doing here. &nbsp;I've cleared up the misconception that I wasn't going to ship his product. &nbsp;Many of the people buying today are more worried about getting your snakes shipped today then getting them alive. &nbsp;People are always in such a rush and i don't live like that. &nbsp;I mention that in my fine print although I would doubt any of you took the time to read that before talking as that would have been the adult thing to do.

I have no clue what elite group you've all lost your minds and started talking about. &nbsp;Nobody has said they can for 100% fact get the same guality of snakes from a show. &nbsp;I never said this or that persons snakes were bad. &nbsp;I only said you don't know what the guy next to you is doing and that compromises your own quality as mites are possible and they're not possible with me.

In any event. &nbsp;One "business" practice I do know is if you do something good your customer tells 1 person and if you do something bad they tell 10. &nbsp;Last year I gave 20 snakes away to kids for free. &nbsp;I post an ad on Kingsnake and tell kids under 16 to tell me why they want one. &nbsp;I just give them away, and have every year. &nbsp;For that matter for whatever reason Kingsnake has taken my ad off each year. &nbsp;I don't know many breeders that worry as much about their customers being happy.

Now I'm sure I'll get a bunch more cry baby assumption posts to this. &nbsp;Nobody seems to want to either grow up and stop assuming things or admit that show and pet store snakes can't be sold with the same quality control.

You're all just spinning in a circle with yourself as I've said I'm wrong on this. &nbsp;I've said nothing against the breeders selling at shows only about the quality control. &nbsp;And this elite group you're talking about, I really don't know who they are but I'm interested in meeting them as well.

Adam Block

PS I didn't think I'd get a response Rich. &nbsp;Oh well, it's easy to jump on the band wagon and assume things but a little harder to admit who you are or take a chance and say something others may not.

Adam, where can this fine print of yours be found?

Adam, I told you this in an earlier message, but your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking.

This thread is not about me, it's about you. &nbsp;I will not be drawn into an obvious ploy you are pulling to deflect attention away from yourself and onto someone else. &nbsp;Most people here have seen that technique used time and time again and are quite used to it by now.

Personally, I don't give a rat's patootie about what you think of me. &nbsp;You insulted a lot of people and I felt rubbing your nose in those comments you pulled out of thin air was in order. &nbsp;To say that someone's animals must be inferior because they are being sold at a show is ridiculous. &nbsp;Personally, we NEVER let anyone touch our animals at shows, and we are quite blunt about asking people to keep their animals away from our tables. &nbsp;Since you admit that you don't attend shows, how would you even have a clue about what goes on to make the sort of statements you are making? And certainly you have made side by side comparisons of animals purchased at shows and those that were not to come to that conclusion, I guess. &nbsp;Now who is making assumptions?

If you personally have some problem with animals you have gotten from me (excuse me if I don't remember all of my past customers and you are one), you are entirely welcome to air your complaints in a new thread on this site. &nbsp;At such time I will certainly address them, but make sure all of your ducks are in a row before you do. &nbsp;I have a pretty sizeable customer base of people that are very happy with the animals I have sent them, so I certainly do have a decent track record to cite. &nbsp;I guess that is one benefit of being a business rather than a hobby.

I will not post any more messages that are apparent attempts to draw me into your deflection on this thread. &nbsp;Please don't assume (there's that word again) that this means I CANNOT respond to your taunts.