Manny Frade Perfect Predators

Originally Posted by ElexisOrtiz

Did the op know he stole money? Seems like the op didn't know any of this until he dealt with him and got screwed, if you're referring to the post about stealing money from the elderly that was posted by a moderator if I'm not mistaken and not the op. So you getting a bit harsh with the op doesn't seem warranted.

I am not getting harsh with anyone. I am just trying to figure out what happened here. You got taken by this guy last year, he got taken by this guy again. And then went back into the pit the 3rd time. Trying to figure out why.

The rules of BOI is that he has to offer evidence of what he is saying. He so far has given us three screen shots.

The first is of him asking what is up with that. No context. I could get a random part of any facebook conversation and do that.

The second is just weird, and is a screaming post to run away.

The last part does support is argument. But seems to be taken before he decided on which one he wanted.

When asked to clearify, he refused to. Does that seem off to you?

If I was going to accuse someone of what he is accusing, I would post the whole conversation from start to end. Including receipts.

Originally Posted by Hec.1

The ad was a front!!! He was going to give me the "hold back" the whole time!!!! Ad purchase #1 "hold back" purchase #2!!!!!! Two purchases in two days. One fake one real!! Do you understand now??? You need to read!!! I didn't even say anything about him robbing old people. Someone else brought that up.

I am going to drop this.

All I am going to say, you have not proven your case. You refuse to post the whole conversation, only parts that seem to support you. For all we know, this could have been an auction that you lost.

You never actually offered evidence you bought the snake, which snake you bought, and all the other details. It looks like he took your money. But you have not proven it. And the BOI rules state that you have to offer evidence and proof of what you said. You have not actually not met those simple requirements. When asked to produce the evidence you refuse too and attack me.

I honestly would not do business with a person that screwed me over 2 times before. Which is why I asked why you went in the third time.


I am done with this. All I ask is for you to spend 3 minutes and post the whole conversation.

Originally Posted by CwnAnnwn

I am not getting harsh with anyone. I am just trying to figure out what happened here. You got taken by this guy last year, he got taken by this guy again. And then went back into the pit the 3rd time. Trying to figure out why.

The rules of BOI is that he has to offer evidence of what he is saying. He so far has given us three screen shots.

The first is of him asking what is up with that. No context. I could get a random part of any facebook conversation and do that.

The second is just weird, and is a screaming post to run away.

The last part does support is argument. But seems to be taken before he decided on which one he wanted.

When asked to clearify, he refused to. Does that seem off to you?

If I was going to accuse someone of what he is accusing, I would post the whole conversation from start to end. Including receipts.




I am going to drop this.

All I am going to say, you have not proven your case. You refuse to post the whole conversation, only parts that seem to support you. For all we know, this could have been an auction that you lost.

You never actually offered evidence you bought the snake, which snake you bought, and all the other details. It looks like he took your money. But you have not proven it. And the BOI rules state that you have to offer evidence and proof of what you said. You have not actually not met those simple requirements. When asked to produce the evidence you refuse too and attack me.

I honestly would not do business with a person that screwed me over 2 times before. Which is why I asked why you went in the third time.


I am done with this. All I ask is for you to spend 3 minutes and post the whole conversation.

Actually per rules he DOESN'T HAVE to provide evidence but it is encouraged. And he has proved manny was trying to pull a fast one on him and another person.

I would like to see the whole conversation as well. Not to mention any correspondence with the "other buyer. Perhaps the other buyer could weigh in here.

Hector, I just wanted to clarify that my previous comment wasn't intended to raise any skepticism with your post. Frade admitted to planning on swapping in another animal in the texts; there's no reason not to believe you.

My questions were more rhetorical; since you would have accepted the hold-back (though you weren't thrilled about it), and the other customer did accept the other snake, it stands to reason Frade would have been able to sell the boas on their own merit. It just doesn't make sense for him to concoct this elaborate scheme to sell animals that (to my ignorant eyes) look comparable. That doesn't make what he did any less upsetting, however. I would be livid if I didn't get the specific animal I asked for, especially if I liked it due to a specific pattern like the "H." He wouldn't have this bad guy thread if he had just put in a simple disclaimer that the photo was an example and not the actual animal being sold, or was honest with either customer that the animal wasn't available, for that matter.

I did not mean to imply that you were in any way accountable for explaining his rationale - if any - for his (mis)conduct.

That said, I am glad you at least didn't lose any money on top of the time and energy spent, and the silver lining is that you can spend it on an animal you love rather than an animal you will settle for.

Yea there's info missing that it would be nice if he added it, and the other buyer came here. But with Mannys track record.... I still will never buy from him. He has nice animals, but I'm not going to end up one of his statistics. I would flip if I bought an animal and what showed up was NOT that animal or no animal at all.

I also wouldn't mind knowing what the "issue" was with a purchase from last year from Manny.

Originally Posted by Chris Kennard

I also wouldn't mind knowing what the "issue" was with a purchase from last year from Manny.

He sold me a snake with an under bite. The picture on that ad was a top view. Can't pickup under bite from a top view. Brought it to his attention and he said it would go away. He said wait four to six months. I waited eight and the under bite was still there. The main reason I didn't send it back is because a few months after I got her I learned about his shady ways. I wasn't about to send it back and not get anything back in return. This time around I thought he would do the right thing because of the past, but he didn't. Instead he falsely advertised and was planning on sending me a different snake.

Originally Posted by Hec.1

He sold me a snake with an under bite. The picture on that ad was a top view. Can't pickup under bite from a top view. Brought it to his attention and he said it would go away. He said wait four to six months. I waited eight and the under bite was still there. The main reason I didn't send it back is because a few months after I got her I learned about his shady ways. I wasn't about to send it back and not get anything back in return. This time around I thought he would do the right thing because of the past, but he didn't. Instead he falsely advertised and was planning on sending me a different snake.

Thank you. You did the right thing by keeping it.

Hector, do you know if the other buyer has an account on Fauna?

Originally Posted by Chris Kennard

Hector, do you know if the other buyer has an account on Fauna?

I'm not sure but I will ask him. I'll post a screen shot of one of his comments he posted on my post in the Feedback and Inquiry forum on Facebook. Then I'm am officially done providing evidence.