SELLERS BEWARE

CHRIS HENRICH OR CHRIS RED IS A BAD GUY. I SOLD HIM TWO BOAS AND HE LATER SAID ONE OF THEM DIED AND THE OTHER WAS SICK. I OFFERED HIM A REFUND OR REPLACEMENT BOAS AND HE WANTED REPLACEMENT BOAS, SO I SENT THEM TO HIM. I ASKED FOR THE DEAD BOA OR AT LEAST A PICTURE OF IT. I NEVER RECEIVED EITHER. HE SAID HE TOOK THE ANIMAL TO THE VET SO I ASKED HIM TO MAIL ME A HARD COPY OF THE VET REPORT. I ALSO NEVER RECEIVED THIS. I NOTICED IN ANOTHER POST WHERE HE STATES THAT ALL HIS BOAS ARE DOING GREAT. WELL 4 OF THOSE BOAS ARE MINE AND TWO OF THEM WERE SENT IN GOOD FAITH. I HAVE NEVER RECEIVED ANYTHING! NO DEAD BOA, NOT EVEN A PIC OF THE DEAD BOA, NO VET REPORT, NOTHING BUT LIES!

Hey Bill ... look what i found !! OMG its a bird .... its a plane .... its that IBD report you said you never saw!!!! Here ya go bill i think ya may have "overlooked it buddy" i can see why !
and i may be wrong but if you take time to go through all the threads you may see something there about  him sending you the snake back .. i think i saw he said it was in the freezer .. but i could be wrong  .. do a lil research  ... if ya had time to post this im sure you had time to look for the proof

Neil why dont you calm down and let him explain himself your not mr perfect yourself, "mental note dont do buisness with...." but now you are all on their side

Kim if you have anything worth while to ad please do so

Alan if you were in Bills shoes would you accept that for evidence to amke a sound judgement on? a scan version on this board or would you want an affical copy direct from the Vet so you could take it to a vet you know and trust with reptiles? I dont know what vet chris took the animal, does the guy have experiance with reptiles? maybe, mabye not, if he is not that experianced alot of what is in there could be wrong, and just like Neil read and agreed in another thread because of the problems in this hobby with reliable vets a seller is better taking the animal back and going to his/her reliable vet for a sound desicion I am going to show you a picture of what happens to aniamls that go to inexperianced "so called herp vets" the origanl surgery happened with a prior owner, the tort ate a brick, well common procedure with a vet that knows what they are doing on torts is to go through the bottom the shell as you will see he didnot, why is beyond all of us, the other vets told us learning to go through the bottom is in "herp 101", it heals better faster, and the tissue is easier to work with, the origanal vet that did this claimed to be experianced with all exotics, with exotics birds yes he is, he owns and runs a bird of prey rehab, in torts it is obvious that he is not experianced, however claimed to be so, so I will ask my question again, the link you have posted would you accept that as proof? or would you want an offical copy direct from the vet with the rest of the reports to make a sound judgement with a vet YOU KNOW is a good herp vet? this tort has suffered gone through $3000+ in several surgeries since and now is after two years is only starting to act and seem happy, he will never grow his shell back there, he'll get some kind of bony surface but not shell and Alan please take note I try to explain this to you all snide, smart a$$ comments and remarks aside, would you back up a call made by a vet you know nothing of that may know very little or nothing of reptiles or would you want your vet to see all the offical reports, files and documents so you could make a sound call???

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what now bill = what are you going to do about it bill?
or also could mean what are we to do about it bill?
thats my contribution.
take it or leave it - it was not directed to you jason
nor was it derogatory or ill intended.
please refrain from reading negativity into everything said jason. thats how you screwed it up for bill last time.
my question also is this..( jason please feel no need to speak for bill here ) how do we know that the report enclosed in halls herps post is for said snake that bill cagle sold him..or was it said snakes..plural. either way.
im not taking sides im just wondering as i would wonder if i were the seller how to determine the answer to that question.

I think we need to calm down and take this as a serious issue regarless of who started it!
Mr. Cagle I do not agree with a lot of what you have wrote on this board but I am not here to attack you. spam_
Neil and Alan...you know I have no "beef" with you guys!
The point here being is...When do you give a refund or replace the snake(s)?
I am in the process of building our website now and have had to give some serious thought as to how to word our "guarantee". spam_With the help of my better half (Tammy-The "BRAINS" of this outfit) we came up with a guarantee of a live arrival of a healthy, eating and disease free animal(s). spam_If the animal(s) do not arrive that way we require a picture as proof before replacing the animal(s) if what they ordered or something of comparable value is available. spam_The only way to get a cash refund is to provide photographic proof of the "health problem" or ship the snake back as proof. spam_If we can not replace it then you get your money back, minus shipping of course.
This is just my two cents on the basis if this issue.

Thanks,
Mike Pinkston
HISS THIS HERPS

Jason ,
ok heres what i saw in Bills post about chris being a bad guy.
1-. I ASKED FOR THE DEAD BOA OR AT LEAST A PICTURE OF IT. I NEVER RECEIVED EITHER.
( now thats seems very reasonable thing to want i would want the same in the case od a dead snake)

2-HE SAID HE TOOK THE ANIMAL TO THE VET SO I ASKED HIM TO MAIL ME A HARD COPY OF THE VET REPORT. I ALSO NEVER RECEIVED THIS.
( ok granted chris didnt or may have not snailmailed a copy of the vet reports to Bill but the scanned picture of the report to show him ) that there looks like from Bill wanting to see it would be suffiecient evidence as proof

3-I NOTICED IN ANOTHER POST WHERE HE STATES THAT ALL HIS BOAS ARE DOING GREATWELL 4 OF THOSE BOAS ARE MINE AND TWO OF THEM WERE SENT IN GOOD FAITH. I HAVE NEVER RECEIVED ANYTHING! NO DEAD BOA, NOT EVEN A PIC OF THE DEAD BOA, NO VET REPORT, NOTHING BUT LIES!
ok to this all i can think is its rather arrogant to think that From what Bill worded chris as sayingabout his snakes being "fine" is that he must think he is the only person that has snakes that are able to be sold? and that maybe chris didnt have any other snakes then Bills.

Now as far as what you said about the fact that chris's vet may not know what hes doing? well there you venture into a very GREY area , IMO cause as we all know you hvae to make &nbsp;your vets you choose a good endeavor, now i will say there are lots of vets that know zilch about xotics but to ASSUME that ones vet is better then anothers vet ...without knowing either vet on a buisness basis is making a ASS out of U & ME so what would make chris so apyt to think that Bills vet is any more qualified to do this teszting then his vet? and also from what i have read chris does and did have other snakes before getting these from Cagle, so this would seem to lead to the fact that he must at onepoint or another been to this vet before and trusted the vet and or knew this vets reputation..
so basically what i was &nbsp;showing &nbsp;Bill in my reply was that chris did have a copy of A vets report.
Kim as you said theres no hard way to know what snake that may have come from &nbsp;... BUT also in defense of that where does one make the line in the sand that a vet report &nbsp;on a snake/snakes is the actual report needed?

I agree with Rich this post was on it's way to "never never land". &nbsp;
Thanks Alan for your attempt at bringing things back to the issue.
There is all in all a serious issue here that deserves discussion without prejudice.

Mike Pinkston

Bill...your out of your mind...you told me two keep the two sick snakes.....you did not even want them!!! You told me to kill them. The vet. report cost me 200 bucks...you want it pay for it, are get off line!!!
You called me a few weeks ago wanting it for your court case. Now a few months done the road you issue a warning about me...come on Bill get a life!!! The snakes you sent were sick no question you knew went you sent them in the beat up old box, not only that they were sexed wrong!!! &nbsp;You told me your self &nbsp;that you knew as soon as you mailed them I was not going to be happy...what's wrong with you Bill??? &nbsp;I have lied about nothing....when I found out it was IBD I wanted to sent them all back to you and you agreed, you said you would mail me a box to ship them in...well where's the box Bill....I don't have time to dick with you Bill your an IDIOT !!!
&nbsp;I've bought snakes from many of people online and never had a problem at all....nice snakes &nbsp;for real money not the like the crap you sent me!!!! So seller beware of my money it's hard earned and real!!!

Oh Bill I see what you think all my snakes means the four I got for you...lol &nbsp;please Bill use your head there are more snakes out there then ones from your barn!!! You know that snake is dead I asked you about when you called me a few weeks ago and you said you knew it was true.....please get your lies in some order!!

To Chris...
&nbsp;I do appreciate your situation and hope you and Bill get things resolved.
&nbsp;Bill, if the man's snakes are dead get the proof you need and give him the money you owe him.
&nbsp;I do have to say I have not done business with Bill Cagle so I have no informed opinion on his business practices.

Mike Pinkston