Jon Silverson "Python Jon" - Just won't pay

I'd like to preface this with; I'm not looking of anything here, except to give others the opportunity to make a more informed decision on who they want to deal with.
Nothing more...Not sympathy...Nothing.

This is an account of my knowledge and experience, as I have had personal dealings with Jon Silverson (and his wife Kathy), and also what I know about his connection to Floyd Garison, as there are some who believe they are one and the same.

My first dealing with Jon Silverson came after knowing him on the BC forum for a month or so; he had offered me a Black and White Spitting “venomoid” Cobra about 6-8 months ago and I agreed. Now the only way I do business is via PayPal, it leaves a great electronic trail that you can be followed and thus provides some reasonable fraud protection; this is the method I used to pay him.  The deal was –very- rocky, delay after delay, but finally it happened. So I chalked it up to Jon being disorganized and according to him he had no money available to ship until the PayPal had reached his bank account, although delays occurred after that as well.


Now a couple of months ago (as Jon was still around on the BC forum) I had an unruly male Retic that I was willing to adopt out, Jon was the one that responded and so I agreed to send it to him, just pay the shipping ($30).  I had offered to send him one of my females as well for an additional $110 (again these was 1.1 5ft 66% possible het Retics); he agreed but asked if he could pay me that amount in 2 weeks, he seemed to be strapped for cash, so I felt sorry for him and agreed. Believe it or not there were still delays in getting the $30 shipping, again via PayPal.

I shipped the snakes 07-03-02 (60 days ago), and have never gotten the payment. What I have gotten are 15-20 emails that have promised different date of payment, and all of them have come and gone over and over again.  I even chopped off $15 because the snakes didn’t arrive on time, so that’s a grand total of $95…

-Still won’t pay or make any kind of restitution.

You can read on the BC forum that he is –very- happy with the snakes and says so on several posts. So there is no issue here about what he bought, the only issue is that he doesn’t want to –pay- for what he got. I call that stealing and I call that theft, you can call it as you see it.

BC Forum


Now for the Floyd Garison-Jon Silverson connection:

-Both of these men have sold “venomoid” reptiles on Fauna, Jon had offered them for sale on the BC forum, and Floyd has had a website too.
-People that I know have received –word for word identical- emails, even though one was from Jon and one from Floyd.
--They sell the same reptiles at the same time
*When I noticed that Jon and Floyd had been posting the –exact- same snakes for sale on Fauna, it was brought up to Jon and this was the explanation (not verbatim): “We (Jon/Floyd) broker venomoids out for the same guy that does the surgery (must remain anonymous), those (in the ad) were mine to sell, I'm really mad at Floyd"

This seemed plausible at the time…

These are the addresses given out by them both:

Jon Silverson
4406 s.e. 36th place
Portland, Or.  97202

and

Floyd Garison
4539 S E 28th Ave
Portland Oregon 97202

-Jon certainly admits to “knowing” Floyd
-Be aware that Jon uses a library computer to do his business
-He often will claim to only have a cell-phone
-He has a rotating list of emails
pythonjon@hotmail.com

JSilverson@providence.org

5033477056@vtext.com


I’m not accusing Jon (or “Floyd”) of anything more than not paying me money owed to me ($95). But I think there may be a larger picture here, but you can decide that for yourself.

Maybe more to come...

These are email (most not all) detailing the transaction between Jon and myself
(After I agreed to –GIVE- him a 66% Poss Het Male Retic “Diablo”)


</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">-----Original Message-----
From: Randy
To: Silverson, Jonathan
Sent: 6/28/02 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Retic

Just as an aside, if you really want a 66% het female, I will sell you one of mine (same as the male from Bob via Neph). spam_She's about 5ft or so nice snake, aggressive feeder, but perfectly handleable and looks like the male. I'd be looking for $110 and she can ship with the male if you like so no further shipping costs necessary.

Just an offer no biggie, I'm not actively trying to sell her,
-Randy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Silverson, Jonathan" <JSilverson@providence.org>
To: "'Randy '" <rjmay@prodigy.net>
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 8:30 AM
Subject: RE: Retic

you see the only problem with that is I don't get paid untill friday.
and I can't cash my check untill monday. spam_If you can wait for payment untill
like tuesday I would definatley be interested.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy
To: Silverson, Jonathan
Sent: 7/1/02 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: Retic

Payment's no problem, just plan on doing it within 2 week ok (15th of
July).that should be enough time.

Anyway something came up this morning and I'm not going to ship until
tomorrow (sorry), so if you don't want the female please email me back
by 8<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0am tomorrow.

-Randy



I sent:

Hey Jon,
spam_ spam_Hope that everything’s doing well with the new pair. spam_How the diablo doing? spam_
Just a gentle reminder to take care of the payment today if you can. spam_If not please let me know....
Sorry for CCing it to your other email...not sure what you're using,
-Randy


NO RESPONSE


Then a response from his wife:
----- Original Message -----
From: <5033477056@vtext.com>
To: <rjmay@prodigy.net>
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 10:25 PM
Subject: CAn i help you with ...

> CAn i help you with anything?

Randy:
Not sure what that means, Jon was supposed to pay me $110 for the female
retic, I gave him 2 weeks to do so. But you should already know this since
it was explained in 2 other emails. Even if he shipped out, he had time to
email me (or ask you to) and let me know he wouldn't be able to make that
date (I spent 9 yrs in the U.S. Military). Not sure if you can help, Jon
needs to meet his obligation, that's pretty much it.

-Randy May

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Silverson" <pythonjon@hotmail.com>
To: <rjmay@prodigy.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: One last time

Randy, I just got back and I'm so so sorry, you're the last person I
wanted to dissapoint. spam_I get paid in two weeks and you are the first person i'll
be going to. spam_I didn't antisipate being volunteered for this det and it was probibly one of the worst ones I've ever been on. spam_both retics are doing great and growing like crazy Kathy has been feeding them super jumbo rats weekly and they are getting huge! again i'm very sorry

Jon
__
My Response:
It's not a problem, like I said before, I was just was a bit irritated not knowing anything (i.e. no one answering my emails).

Just send $95 (I split the refunded shipping with you).

Check out my new Blood Python in the Pic forum after you get back in the
saddle.

-Randy

From: "Randy" <rjmay@prodigy.net>
To: "Jon Silverson" <pythonjon@hotmail.com>
CC: <jsilverson@providence.org>
Subject: Hey Jon
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:56:16 -0500

Hey Jon just touching base with you...
Are you going to be able to take care of business on Monday? I think you said it would be around the 17th..right.

Also you should check out my Eyelash Viper post, pretty nice!

Thanks,
-Randy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Silverson" <pythonjon@hotmail.com>
To: <rjmay@prodigy.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Hey Jon

I'm expectimg two checks in the mail this week and I'll be sending you
some cash. spam_Also how do I post pics on bobs site, I want to post the pics of
this 14ft burm that I just rescued but I'm a cyber idiot. spam_Oh that is the
coolest looking eyelash I've ever seen where did you get her? spam_I'm going to be sending you some pics of my gaboons too. spam_For some reason my little female gaboon doesn't want to eat.

*(Remember now this is 30 days late, 45 days from when he got the snakes)



From: Lyncheyez <rjmay@prodigy.net>
To: Jon <pythonjon@hotmail.com>
Subject: Sent From Bob Clark - Herp Fan Forums by Lyncheyez
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:13:32 GMT

Jon haven't heard anything, what gives?

-Randy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Silverson" <pythonjon@hotmail.com>
To: <rjmay@prodigy.net>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Sent From Bob Clark - Herp Fan Forums by Lyncheyez


oh sorry dude, I've been swamped latley. spam_I have my first big show coming up
at the oregon museum of science and industry and I'm going to have the
biggest snakes in the show and have been doing alot to get it al set up. spam_I
waiting for my guy to get his shipment of gabbies in he said no later than
next week and I will ship you one of them.


Now that last email on 8-30-02

Hey Jon, another week gone by, what's the deal? I thought we have things straight by now....

Just to put this in perspective, you got the snakes on 7-4-02, that's 57 days ago, for $95.

Let me know a date one way or the other,
-Randy

NO RESPONSE
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I think that 60 days later on a payment is just too long, and I believe it’s clear that he has no intention of honoring his debt. Also I don’t think I could have been nicer or more patient.

Sorry for the length, but I want there to be a though record for people to reference.