OK guys. I never post a bad guy thread like this. But Hey I need all your opinions. I would like to think most of you here think of me as a upfront honest guy. You all know where I stand. I have an issue. I would like your opionion on.
Ok Rick of TB Exotics Became Friends with John my brother and co owner of Pro Herps. The name I sell under. Well Rick said hey we sell wholesale and we looked at the list. He had a great price on Brazilian Rainbow Baos(85.00) And CBB Aru Green Tree Pythons(175.00). Price is great and I was happy to pay the price.
Ok John asked this guy many times in chat and IMs if these were eating. Rick said YES unscented pinkies. I mean John asked many many times. I am HUGE on animals eating. Got the same answer. So we sent the money. Bought 3 GTPs and 2 BRBs. I get the animals in and I had one presold to a local customer and I gave it to him that day. MY FAULT I should have held onto it until I seen it feed. Well 2 did not eat the one the local customer has and the other I have. I sold one at Taylor show.( I sold on the word they were eating MY FAULT) I hope that one is eating I have not heard from the customer. But I am taking care of the customer that I sold to as it is only right. A CUSTOMER NEVER TAKES THE HIT FOR A FAULT OF MINE
John lets Rich know. They are not eating but hey we will give it some more time. This is about two weeks after we had them. After three weeks I am getting upset. My customer is being cool about it but he does not deserve it you know. SO John tells Rich about it. Here is what Rich offered to do.
I had to buy 5 Brazilian Rainbows. He would add one more and he would pay shipping if I sent the 2 GTP back. So he wanted to give me a 85 dollar credit for 350 bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I said HELL NO!
Ok that ended the talk a few days.
I made a chat on my site TRR. You all know the site so no need to link it untill I show you the thread later I made. But I made a chat. I also host sites and I gave a client a chat room. and also a room for my hosting. This upset him as John went to TB chat and told his friends hey I got a chat. He told maybe 5 6 people. BUT Rich told my brother John to do it to Reptile Chat so TB got memebrs. And John did tell people about TB. That was ok to do to RC SO I thought no big deal this is not a contest you know this is the best damn hobby around. So Rich is going off on John in his CHat. Yeah John still went there to use the chat he liked it there. I went in and said hey we have bigger issues then a chat bro. When I brought up the GTP. He basicly told me F off. I said bro you said UNscented picks and I have trade scented to everything I can think of. I am not even close to being new to this hobby as you all know. He banned me from the chat. He says for spamming but I NEVER SPAMMED. I never use chats untill TB and I use to go often and hang out. But he was quick to ban me when it came to talking to me about the GTP not eating. OH They are about 8 weeks old.
I kept everything quite untill this point. No need to make waves you know but this pushed me to make this thread on TRR
http://thereptileroom.org/forum/ind...showtopic=10117
( I am not advertising lol. Just showing all the stuff I did)
I was upset that he would not work this out. If he would have just talked to me I would have been cool you know.
SO I make the thread. Then I was done. I said to myself sad that this happened but lucky it was only 350 and hey I can get these things to eat. I am more upset at myself for selling on his word and giving a customer of mine an animal not eating. MY FAULT. Everyone has emailed me and said it was BS but I said guys oh well let it go. But here is the kicker MY brother gets these emails today to his business email He forwarded them to me. This is PURE BS and I hope it is a threat. Internet threats like this is BS and I can not believe he would do this. I paid him in FULL. I got the animals not eating. And I am the bad guy?
Here are the emails
I am editing only the cussing. As there is no need for you all to have to read that.
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 23:04:48 -0500 [11:04:48 PM EST]
From:
john@proherps.com
To:
gary@proherps.com
Subject: Fwd: Hi John Guess what, and ******* tell Gary
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----- Forwarded message from
tbe_jrreptiles@hotmail.com -----
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:24:51 -0500
From: Rick Leverock <tbe_jrreptiles@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: Rick Leverock <tbe_jrreptiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hi John Guess what, and ******* tell Gary
To:
john@proherps.com
Its a shame you and gary want to go around bashing. You do realize now, if
you want to place bashing in place, well a customized website is going up on
you and gary boa talk and TRR and will be placed on top of Yahoo. I was
willing to work the one GTP out but I guess I can utilize the money now to
do you that favor and place your new free website on top of Yahoo search
engines so fuck you, that 180 dollars you so called lost will go torwards
that. Its funny how you all don't say you were banned for your stupidity of
spamming on pm when you know you we were in full support of your sites. Its
ok that 180 now will be held against you plus some, enjoy the GTP and you
will see your negative website up soon on top of yahoo. Thank You
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----- Forwarded message from
tbe_jrreptiles@hotmail.com -----
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:27:19 -0500
From: Rick Leverock <tbe_jrreptiles@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: Rick Leverock <tbe_jrreptiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: So much fun, your new bashing negative website is looking good for boa talk/trr
To:
john@proherps.com
Shame I landed the contract with Yahoo for the other website in which is on
top of the net right now, the contract saves me so much money and your 180
dollars will go a long way placing your new bashing website on top of yahoo
against TRR and Boa talk, hell I don't have to go through forums, the whole
reptile community from all forums will see this. Your pract. freedom of
speach on a low level compared to what you will be faced with soon. The
website is looking very ******* good asshole.
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----- Forwarded message from
tbe_jrreptiles@hotmail.com -----
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:30:58 -0500
From: Rick Leverock <tbe_jrreptiles@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: Rick Leverock <tbe_jrreptiles@hotmail.com>
Subject: Done deal buddy, yes your website is 3/4 the way done
To:
john@proherps.com
Yes we will you ****** yourself *****, as of Monday my buddy Dan will be
notified
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Ok now I do not know what he means by his buddy Dan will be notified. But you tell me guys what Did we do wrong.
1) He says he has these animals
2) We ask if all are eating he says YEP YEP YEP eating nonscented pinkies and also said 3 to 4 meals in them
3) We send money
4) We get animals
5) The Brazilians are great. Eating and beautiful. I really mean they looked great. GTP looked good too. We tell them order came in great.
6) We tell him about the GTP not eating he says hey we will take care of it if they do not eat. I tell my costumer here try a few tricks. and i told him what to try. ANd I told him if it will not eat with in the 3rd week I will replace or give a 100% refund.
7) week three is here I am refunding my costumer. It is only right of me to do that. I would nto leave a customer hanging. Not like me. John contacts Rich. Rich offers the one BRB.
8) I tell John to drop it and move one. Then the BS abotu a fricken chat starts. I tell Rich I have bigger issues then a chat. he goes off and bans me. I never even use the PM thing on the chat. I think the only time I did was to talk to RICH lmao. I never spammed on his site. NEVER!
9) I am heated and make post on my site. I feel better by letting it out and to be honest i never bashed him just said what happened. And we get these threats. Funny huh?
Tell me guys. I want everyones opinions. Am i in the wrong? I am not worried about the websites he says he is doing. But the last email about telling a Dan. WTF. WOuld you say threat? I am taking it that way. Sad sad day when a person is stubbed on some animals and the person who did the stubbing is trying to do more.
Help me out guys.
Also this is the only reply my Brother sent to him and it has the email he replied to in it so you know. I just want everything on the table guys. You know I am very upfront.
----- Forwarded message from
john@proherps.com -----
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:26:52 -0500
From:
john@proherps.com
Reply-To:
john@proherps.com
Subject: Re: Hi John Guess what, and F****** tell Gary
To: Rick Leverock <tbe_jrreptiles@hotmail.com>
GO ahead do what you want. We are just notifying people. I said to my
4-5 friends about our chat. I said it in private which usually means
PRIVATE. If I ever saw you on I would have invited you too but now
that you want to go threatning cause you are such a better person then
us go ahead people know our stuff is not junk. As we take care of
every customer that we have. I don't care if they had the snake for 3
months and it up and died or stopped eating I would resolve the issue.
But do what you want and I will tell Gary. We will see who comes out
on top.
Quoting Rick Leverock <tbe_jrreptiles@hotmail.com>:
[Hide Quoted Text]
Its a shame you and gary want to go around bashing. You do realize now,
if you want to place bashing in place, well a customized website is
going up on you and gary boa talk and TRR and will be placed on top of
Yahoo. I was willing to work the one GTP out but I guess I can utilize
the money now to do you that favor and place your new free website on
top of Yahoo search engines so fuck you, that 180 dollars you so called
lost will go torwards that. Its funny how you all don't say you were
banned for your stupidity of spamming on pm when you know you we were
in full support of your sites. Its ok that 180 now will be held against
you plus some, enjoy the GTP and you will see your negative website up
soon on top of yahoo. Thank You
Thanks for any and all opinions and comments. I have delt with a lot of things but this. Come on
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