Jerry Tubbs

I just want to know all of you who have dealt with Mr. Tubbs and have not either recived your money or animal. What did you do? Have he been convicted of mail fraud yet? Also please let me know what you ould do if he owes you money. Right now I have hired an atterney to see if they can do something ( considering I get free atterney from my college).  

Let me know

Thanx <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

Winston

Hey Winston
Whats your full name???
Are you trying to start cr@p???
Spell check???
HMMMM...... I don't know about everybody else, but your post seems a bit fishy to me
Whats your full <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>? Oh yeah I asked you that allready.
Apple

Winston....You're in college and you write like that??? Forget the attorney...try an ENGLISH teacher!!
As far as Jerry goes....you've GOT TO give us more info than that?? What do you mean he owes you money?? How much? For how long has he owed it? For what animal does he owe it for? ....Neil

John and Neil, Winston is a real person. His last name is Tsai (sp)..So he isn't try to start crap I don't believe. I will say I owe him and offered payments at first ,but he wouldn't except.He also didn't meet the deadline for the price that was given to him,but I guess that is besides the point.

I'll try to make a long story short.He ordered a lot of 10 bp's for 100 bucks . He received them and was happy. He wanted more and ordered them a few weeks later but was told I only had a few left and it was first come first serve .By the time I got his MO ,all was sold. When I told him I didn't have them anymore he told me he would wait awhile to see if I could get more in. Well after a few weeks I couldn't so I told him and he said he could wait until this spring IF I gave him the same amount for the same price and that way he was already prepaid for that many.I said yes we could do that.Yet in another couple weeks he wanted to see about a refund ,so I was upfront with him and told him I didn't have the money . He said ok how long do you need ? I told him since it was winter (no work for me ) and I had already prepaid his order for this spring to my supplier , and I was going through a problem ,that I would need untl Feb. 15th...... I emailed him today and updated him on what was going on and my accounts(financial) are froze. So I offered his refund again and told him it would take me a couple payments to pay it off and he said ok. I do not know why he posted here when we just worked it &nbsp;about 4 hrs. ago I will say that if he would have taken a couple payments or told me not to order for this spring , he would have already been payed off.It's like telling someone to order you a snake and giving them the money to do (if you don't have it) so, so &nbsp;that you are locked in on a set price when the snake arrives.Then after doing that , you told the person you wanted you money back after the order was made.

As far as the accounts(financial) being froze I CANNOT talk about it in this public forum , but I will answer questions now via phone or email.

So you (the jury) have read both sides of this deal and I am willing to go with what majority says on this matter, whether it's good or bad on my part.Thanks &nbsp;Jerry Tubbs

OK, Jerry....I've got a couple of points to make...first...you never said if HE HAD ORDERED the balls and you KNEW the MO was on the way?
ASSUMING that's TRUE! You should have NEVER "sold out"! You should have given the MO time to get there!
ASSUMING it's NOT TRUE! You should have NEVER cashed his MO!!
Now...Once Winston said that he was WILLING to wait till the Spring to get THE SAME DEAL...THEN you had every right to cash his MO and order your balls so YOU could get them at a better price by buying them IN ADVANCE! SMART!
WINSTON decided to CHANGE THE DEAL....AFTER you already used his money! He AGREED TO WAIT!! Therefore, basically, making an "oral contract" (maybe not a LEGAL one, but, certainly an ETHICAL and MORAL one&#33<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>! I WILL NOT DEAL WITH PEOPLE THAT GO BACK ON THEIR WORD!! PERIOD! If you can't TRUST a person by their WORD of (so-called) HONOR??? You don't know half these people from a hole in the wall! Their WORD is the ONLY THING you have to go by!!
This might sound hard...but, I would make him live up to HIS WORD!! In the Spring....you OWE HIM 10 Baby Balls! PERIOD! If he can't wait that long....he'll live! We're ONLY talking about two months at the outset...that's NOT a long time!
I really think that you (Jerry) are doing the right thing in THIS instance....
If ANY OF YOU think I'm wrong....I'd like to know! ....Neil

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The folowing is just my opinion.

It seems Winston already knew about Jerry's past. &nbsp;So why he dicided to deal with him? &nbsp;I do not know. &nbsp;Cheap balls that he could sell for double the price? &nbsp;Quick money? &nbsp;I do not know.

Anyway
Judging from what I have read so far.

It seems Jerry is doing the right thing. &nbsp;Give him the chance to make things right. &nbsp;

A deal is a deal. &nbsp;Once a deal has been made. &nbsp;Yes you might still be able to back out of things if nothing has been exchanged and you are having some kind of emergency..

But if things has been exchanged. &nbsp;Stuff has been mailed then too bad to sad...a deal is a deal...

you gotta take all circumstances into consideration. &nbsp;You can't just post bad guy post just because you don't get what you want. &nbsp; Gotta take stuff into consideration.

Lets say you deal with a super honest person. &nbsp;The person dies. &nbsp;You can't get your money or your snakes...Does that make the person bad? &nbsp;No. &nbsp;So my point is you gotta take other things into consideration. &nbsp;Don't be to quick to jump and post bad guy stuff.


I really hope parties work this out. &nbsp;Sounds real simple to do
GOOD LUCK TO BOTH !!!!!

Just my 0.02

i got go with neal on this one. i often lock in a deal with 1 of my supplyers to get a set amount of snakes & and then have to prepay to get them in, i abuyer wants to prepay me on something i can give him a price break, i was just paid 1/2 on 5000 yellow belly breeders by a buyer in Fla and 1/2 on 2500 by afarmer in La
they saved .25 each on turtles, they know they are going to get them, 2 other big farmers want 1000 ea, but they have to wait until the prepay orders ar filled & pay full price
C.G.Arnold

Can't argue anyones point here
money was given..a deal was made, point blank!!!
The only problem I see is the same point N G made[why did you cash the check if you had no more balls <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> ]
In any event a deal was made[verbal contracts are bond] and I think you are doing the right thing Jerry
Just make sure he gets his balls in the spring Jerry
peace

I agree with everyone above, I think neil hit all the points real well, your doing the right thing Jerry, never thought you would hear me say that huh lol, Jason Swe!gart

Neil and everyone else , He never said the MO was coming on a certain date , he just said he would send it after hs next paycheck (and that was a maybe) .I gave him a set price for 20 of them for 225 shipped on his second order. I sold out in the time that it took to get his MO AND remember I was NEVER told the date (not even within a day or two) that he would sen or I would receive the mo. That's why he was told FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. I sold out before I got his MO and he was told and decided for me to try and find more and if not he wanted me to order for this year ,because he was locked in at great prices .HE DID KNOW I was out before cashing.


Ritchie , I'm not this bad person it seems from your post.I have been trying to stand up and pay my dues , it's just it's a little longer and harder than thought.If you need detail (or anyone else for that matter) just email me.Atleast I have the ba__s to stay around when I still get critisized by people...... <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> &nbsp; &nbsp; Thanks Jerry Tubbs