STAY AWAY FROM ANTOINE JACKSON (AKA "TWAN")

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Just to clarify, the link that Lucille posted above is the most recent (from just last month) warning about this person.

Here is an older Bad Guy thread.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ntoine+Jackson

Nathaneal, would you please post the friend's name or PayPal address so other potential victims know who to avoid? He has a history of using "friends" to sell animals he does not own or has clear permission to do so. Please read both links and it will make sense

Always research a potential vendor/seller here before any purchase in the future. I'm sorry you had to deal with him.

I have to admit to being a little confused on actual shipping plans.
Surely both the seller and buyer are/were aware that live snakes can ONLY legally be shipped via Fedex?
Absolutely not through UPS or USPS.
And I am not sure what the seller was trying to claim that he was told he could only ship Fedex business to business?

Originally Posted by Black Adder

live snakes can ONLY legally be shipped via Fedex

I think the only inherently illegal way to ship snakes (disregarding Lacey Act concerns) is via USPS. Other carriers may choose not to allow shipping live snakes, but since they're not run by the US government, individuals choosing to ship snakes with their service are ultimately guilty of violating nothing more than TOS - not laws. Also, I'm not so sure that FedEx is the only company that allows snake shipments anymore. I believe UPS still knowingly allows certain people to ship them, unless that's changed somewhat recently.

And I am not sure what the seller was trying to claim that he was told he could only ship Fedex business to business?

I get the impression that it wasn't regularly enforced, but shipping business-to-business only was one of the criteria for FedEx certifying people to ship snakes. As far as I know (though I haven't kept up with it in a while) it still works that way for the average Joe with the certification. Contrary to what the seller said, it's not something that just went into effect. Love how the OP so blithely suggested that they just be shipped USPS to save some money.

I would ask that people PLEASE not get on a rabbit trail with my post. That's usually what happens with these, and that's why I didn't post in the other one...my post would have just gotten lost.
I'm not done posting the texts, so that's maybe part of the reason people are confused. His friend's email in in the texts. Sorry about my language in them btw, I'm just posting them exactly as they were said. I am very upset about this.

Here are a few more. I'll post the rest in the morning.

Originally Posted by Eden Exotics

I would ask that people PLEASE not get on a rabbit trail with my post. That's usually what happens with these, and that's why I didn't post in the other one...my post would have just gotten lost.
I'm not done posting the texts, so that's maybe part of the reason people are confused. His friend's email in in the texts. Sorry about my language in them btw, I'm just posting them exactly as they were said. I am very upset about this.

Not quite sure what you mean. The tangential discussion has relevance to the exchange between yourself and Antoine, Nathanael. It is simply not central to your complaint's essence here. Not central, but relevant, as people suggesting or employing the use of particular shipping methods can be a factor audiences consider when determining who maintained and who failed to maintain market community principles that are in line with either corporate TOS or, in other cases, regulatory/legal expectations. In other words, best practices for the sake of the animals as well as avoiding blowback from violating policy.

I see concerns on this level as valid as long as they do not dominate the thread to the point of causing forgetfulness of the primary topic.

Thank you for posting the images of communications you have shared thus far and I look forward to the remainder when time permits you.

Alright, but you have to admit, it happens a lot with these. On every other site they ask people to be clear an concise and stay on topic, but here you're pretty liberal on how you let the discussions go...

Originally Posted by Eden Exotics

Alright, but you have to admit, it happens a lot with these. On every other site they ask people to be clear an concise and stay on topic, but here you're pretty liberal on how you let the discussions go...

And yet here you are, discussing posting theory instead of Antoine Jackson.

Non-businesses can use Ship Your Reptiles for FedEx.

UPS corporate policy is not to ship snakes, and legally they can't be shipped USPS. The seller mentioning shipping using UPS or USPS should have been a tip-off that he was either clueless or a scammer.