Bloodred Corns?

Playing with genetics is a guessing game at best. Sure we can predict what will happen most of the time but when so many snakes have been line bred and then bred into other lines and other lines and so on..... Who knows what will pop out. Statistically there shouldn't be anyway to produce a normal from 2 amels.... Maybe there is some ultra in the blood lines????

Every year there are one or two claims of impossible breeding results. Nobody yet has bothered to prove that the "impossible" happened.

There's definitely a rational explanation, there always is. It isn't inbreeding or linebreeding, I'm not sure what this has to do with it. And it isn't ultra, because if both snakes are homozygous amel then there's no ultra to be found.

The female does not need to have been housed with a male. Several cases of impossible results have come from a female being placed with a male "just for a couple of minutes while I was cleaning her tub." :scatter:

Since the female is an amel stripe and you at least know that she is the mother, if you wanted to figure out what happened, I would suggest breeding one or more of the normals to bloodreds. If they are in fact from the amel blood male you will get bloods from such a pairing.

Also I would suggest breeding both parents to amels again next year. If something funky is going on (such as one of them is a chimera and its testes/ovaries have a different genotype than what you're seeing on the outside) then the results should happen again. If you breed them to different amels instead of each other, and something happens, it would tell you which one of them is producing the odd results.

Was she put in with a "female" while you were cleaning her tub?
Maybe it's as simple as a mis-sexed snake.

Any updates on this yet?!

D80

The babies are all doing well. I still have no explanation for the results from this breeding. There are three "Normal-looking" babies - all males. but even they don't look all the normal.

Here is a picture of one of the typical Amels:



Here are a couple pictures of the "Normals":





I have gone through this over and over again and I cannot explain these babies existence within this clutch. I cannot recall a single incident where the female would have been exposed to another male. All of my Colubrids are maintained separately, except during breeding.

I have every intention of breeding these animals next year to try and figure out just what is going on here. Of course, I'm a couple years away from doing anything with these "Normal" males.

A Sharp Albino Boa het Kahl x Kahl Albino, will produce Albinos and Normals in the same clutch even thought both parents were albinos. We have about 6 hypo strains now, and two Amel strains, even though one is not wide spread, why not three? The Amel gene in Emerys, could easily work its way into Corns, via Creamsicles, especially when a Creamsicle is bred to an Amel and looks like an Amel.

If you breed a Ultra het Hypo X Hypo, you will get Hypos and Normals in the same clutch even though both parents were hypomelanistic. The same exact thing could be happening here.

Mike
Obviously one of the parents is not homozygous amel (at least not the common form.) My guess would be one of the parents is homo for some type of hypo such as ultra or perhaps lava (or homo for more than one form of hypo) and het for amel. A corn with these genes may mimic an amel right down to the pink/red eyes.

Oops....I meant "Christamas or lava." Not ultra. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Mike Greathouse

I'll try and post some pictures of the parents soon.

Thanks,

We're still waiting for pics of the parents.