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Old 05-03-2019, 05:40 PM   #11
Richard the next logical step is the person showing up to take possession. Do not let that happen. If he threatens law enforcement tell him this is a civil matter. I suggest you get a detailed invoice sent to him certified mail signature required for the amount that you feel is adequate. Break down materials, time, etc. and realize that what you are sending will show up elsewhere, so take a little time with clarity and detail. I would also get your ducks in a row to put this entire issue on the BOI should he insist that you are not going to receive compensation.
Old 05-03-2019, 05:46 PM   #12
Great guy! So when people come to your place to buy the snakes, and they have a problem, who are they going to call and expect restitution (if any) from?

It appears to me that you really don't have a whole lot to lose by losing this guy's friendship.
Old 05-03-2019, 09:47 PM   #13
Yes im in process of getting full information into certified letter. As today i texted its find i will cut all my losses. I am done when are you free to take your animals all back so you can sale them.

Their response has been to block me on all social media and my phone calls are blocked also. As i get number unable to be reached.
I will send the letter out monday. I am at a lost as to what else to do. As i just didnt want the headache and cost til they sell just done.
Old 05-03-2019, 10:02 PM   #14
According to Florida law:

"These Florida laws concern liens for the care and maintenance of animals. The first section declares that the liens mentioned in the chapter include the described personal property under the circumstances mentioned in each section. Section 713.65 then describes that a lien exists in favor of all persons for the "feeding or caring for the horse or other animal of another, including all keepers of livery, sale or feed or feed stables, for feeding or taking care of any horse or other animal put in their charge; upon such horse or other animal." Based on the broad language of "other animal," a lien exists for the care and feeding of all owned animals."

In short, because you have been taking care of the feed and housing of these animals for months, Florida law places a lien on those animals that must be paid. More specifically:

"In favor of any veterinarian who renders professional services to an animal at the request of the owner of the animal, the owner's agent, or a bailee, lessee, or custodian of the animal, for the unpaid portion of the fees for such professional services, upon the animal to which such services were rendered. Such lien shall remain valid and enforceable for a period of 1 year from the date the professional services were rendered, and such lien is to be enforced in the manner provided for the enforcement of other liens on personal property in this state."

The law gives you the ability to sue even if the law doesn't give you ownership of the animals outright. Animal abandonment laws are a little odd in Florida, but this law gives you an angle to get your money back. If they still play hardball, go to civil court.

Link: https://www.animallaw.info/statute/f...enance-animals
Old 05-03-2019, 10:05 PM   #15
Oh, one more thing. If you do go to court, make sure you use the high-end estimate for your costs, which include your personal time spent taking care of them at an hourly rate. I suspect the animals will be awarded to you in court because I doubt those folks will be able to pay you. You have a strong case for animal cruelty to start with. Depending how deep down the rabbit hole you want to go it may not be a bad idea to get a lawyer on retainer.
Old 05-04-2019, 08:48 AM   #16
Thank you all for the information. I hope to settle this asap.
I will update once it has been.
Old 05-05-2019, 06:36 PM   #17
It might be worth a small fee to consult an attorney (sorry Vanessa missed that part in your post) If you send a certified letter to your "friend" telling him he has 30 days (or whatever the law says) to come get the animals you may have rights to them legally after that time (I didn't read the link sorry, just going by some of the property laws in my state).

As others have said I would not, under any circumstances work as a middle man or allow anyone to come to my home to purchase any of the animals and I would not let him take only certain animals so he can't just come and pick up a couple that that he has a buyer for. He takes them all Its all or none.

Having the animals puts you at an advantage if you want to recoup any of your money. If you are willing to just give them back and cut your losses that may be the easiest thing to do. As April said perhaps you can work out something where you keep some of the animals (if you want them) as payment. You probably won't make all your money back but it would be something. Id also get a accurate list of exactly what you have and start looking for reasonable fair market value.

Just make sure everything you do from now on is in writing. I'd print out any texts or communications you have and you may exchange in the future. You never know if a phone crashes or you lose them somehow.

I might also suggest an appeal to Judge Judy. I hate that show but my parents watch it religiously and that is one episode I would watch.
Old 06-12-2019, 11:35 AM   #18
Tried to resolve this nice way a month ago. She offer me the whole collection at a price I felt was to high I counter offered her a fair base wholesale price on them. She turned it down so I asked to drop the animals all off that night as I felt I would no longer want to feed them etc. She went completely ghost until Friday.She had a mutual friend contact me and tell me they agreed to buy her collection. And then asked when I could deliver them an hour away as him and his wife have no way to transport them. Then also proceeded to ask when they were last fed as He was hunting for rodent racks because they have none currently and it maybe a little bit before he could feed them.

At that point I told him I didn't think it was right him to be in middle. But I could bring the animals to him if she requested after I was compensated for my cost in feeders and time. I even offered a simple cheap option Keeping 5 animals which wholesale maybe around 1200-1400 value. I was told no I would drop off the animals to be inventoried and then once she was happy she would make sure I am compensated that is the agreement she offered.
I cut contact I told him she needed to deal with me directly nothing will be handed over til my expenses are taken care of. And Monday I sent her a bill and letter for 46 weeks of feeders and care. To be paid within 7 business days. I will let you all know where this goes from here. I even charged the feeders on the low end as most are eating medium rats now.
Old 06-19-2019, 12:19 PM   #19
Those snakes belong to you now. If they haven't compensated you for the care in that entire time they lost out. Yoi said many of the animals died directly after you took them in means they werent doing the right thing anyway. After 6.mos those snakes became yours as far as I'm concerned unless they made arrangements with staying otherwise . You house
fed watered and cared for them with YOUR OWN supplies at that.
If I am wrong then I am.wrong but they should have you keep 3/4 of those animals and let them sell the other 1/4 ..OR you sell the snakes and give them what's left over from approx 11k they owe you
Old 06-19-2019, 12:22 PM   #20
I just read where they wanted a "Mutual friend" to buy them ..Frick them and I would just have animal.control come get the animals
These people are gaming you
BTW are they junkies because this sounds like a straight dope fiend move if there ever was one.
Get a new circle of friends asap

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