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Old 09-27-2014, 10:26 PM   #71
cguarino30
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How long after eating are they defecating? Is it possible that they simply may not need to eat that frequently?
Hard to say. Usually about 4 or 5 days would be my best guess, but I try not to disturb them any more than necessary, so I haven't been checking all of them every day. It wouldn't really apply to the three trouble feeders, though, as none of those three have eaten even their first meal yet.
 
Old 09-28-2014, 12:07 AM   #72
bigjej
This is a great thread. Nice work. How long have you been keeping the species? Have you been keeping track of your parameters - both parents and offspring - such as temperatures, light cycles, humidity, etc? Perhaps you will see a pattern that can help both with your current feeding issues and future husbandry.
 
Old 09-28-2014, 08:25 AM   #73
cguarino30
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This is a great thread. Nice work. How long have you been keeping the species? Have you been keeping track of your parameters - both parents and offspring - such as temperatures, light cycles, humidity, etc? Perhaps you will see a pattern that can help both with your current feeding issues and future husbandry.
Ambient temperatures are a 72-78 range with an 85-90 degree hot spot for all animals. Humidity is a steady 65%. For breeding adults, I shut off the hotspot heat and decrease light by one hour per month until it is down to eight hours of light per day, then bring it up by the same increments until it is back to 12 in the spring.

Because there are only three left not eating, it is difficult to determine any differences for them, but any minor differences should be rectified by moving them into my best feeders' cages, assuming that the problem is environmental. If that doesn't work, I am forced to assume that the problem is these indiclvidual snakes. Perhaps these three are just pickier eaters and will need lizards after all.
 
Old 09-29-2014, 11:52 PM   #74
cguarino30
Looks like we have a few working on their second sheds. This may have something to do with the three eaters who skipped last week. We'll see if it has any effect on this week's feeding numbers.
 
Old 09-30-2014, 03:48 AM   #75
Helenthereef
VERY excited to see some post shed photos!
 
Old 09-30-2014, 08:13 AM   #76
cguarino30
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VERY excited to see some post shed photos!
Haha. I'll be sure to post a few up this weekend. I don't want to do too much to disturb them this close to feeding day. Plus, most of them have just started, with only a couple having actually shed yet.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:20 AM   #77
cguarino30
Chick Thigh Prep

I have had a couple of people ask me about how I specifically prepare the chick thighs for these guys, so I figured I'd put together a quick how-to for demonstration purposes. Fair warning, these are pictures of a chick being cut up, so if you are particularly squeamish, you might want to skip the next few posts. For the record, this is a frozen thawed chick that was humanely killed with CO2.

Step One: After properly thawing the chick(s) to an appropriate temperature, place the scissors directly along the edge of the leg where it meets the body, taking care to get as much of the leg as possible without cutting into the abdomen itself. If you accidentally cut too deep, it is a bit messy.
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Old 10-02-2014, 10:22 AM   #78
cguarino30
This will give you as much of the leg as possible. The end result should look like this. There is about half of the femur, followed by the rest of the leg. If you did it right, the rest of the chick is still intact and can be fed to a larger animal with no effect.
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Old 10-02-2014, 10:28 AM   #79
cguarino30
Step Two: Place the scissors just below the ankle, so that the whole of the joint is included with the thigh, and the rest of the foot and toes will be removed.

I cut below the ankle, because if you cut above it, you sever a lot of the tendons and ligaments that hold the meat to the bone. This makes the end product a bit less compact and presumably, a little harder for the snake to maneuver.

I am not certain that the feet need to be removed, but in my experience feeding other snakes, the feet tend to be the hardest part to digest. I don't imagine that there is a ton of nutritional value in the feet that will be missed out on, and I feel that this makes the end product easier to swallow (as now the snake can swallow it from either end, if it so chooses) and probably easier to digest.
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Old 10-02-2014, 10:37 AM   #80
cguarino30
And here we have the end result. The chick, with legs removed, ready to be fed to an adult, the thigh, with complete joints on each end, and the foot, which can be discarded or fed to a third animal (make sure you know who you are feeding this to, as the animal should be large and have a strong stomach) I generally feed the feet to a yearling tegu.

Take the now prepared thigh and place it somewhere in the animal's vivarium. There does not seem to be any advantage to placing the food near the animal or in any other particular location within the viv. They don't seem to have any trouble finding the food, nor do they seem especially enticed by it being nearby. After placing the food in the enclosure, and I can not stress this enough, leave the animal alone with its food for as long as possible, preferably until the next morning. The slightest interruption in the process can cause the snake to go off feed for an extended period of time. Be strong.

If you have done everything right, the final product thigh should be an appropriately sized, nutritional, and easily managed (both for you and the snake) food item. I do have some concerns about the lack of organs (and thus potential lack of vitamins, minerals, or other nutrition) in the thigh, so I recommend stepping up as soon as possible to some sort of whole food item such as juvenile mice, quail chicks, etc. I don't know for sure that the lack of a whole food item will cause long term issues, but I see no reason to chance it, and will be upgrading my own animals as soon as they are ready.

I hope this has been informative, and please feel free to ask any clarifying questions.
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