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FaunaClassifieds Site HELP & Feedback Forum Anything of a nature concerning this website, moderators, admin, or anything having to do with how it is being run, should go here. Criticism is welcome, but abusive antagonism is not. THIS IS NOT THE FORUM FOR FEEDBACK CONCERNING BUYERS AND SELLERS! THE BOI IS SOLELY FOR THAT PURPOSE.

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Old 09-13-2019, 12:50 AM   #261
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Straight up we here at RGM feel strongly killing the BOI is a huge mistake and are completely willing to MOD the entire thing without complaint. This is a necessary part of doing business the trades have grown to big and there have to be stop gaps to allow people to know who they are dealing with and keep reputations in check. There was a time when anyone in the trades knew who everyone was because the circle was so small those days are long gone every one with a computer can pretend to be a real deal “known” breeder. Facebook has made it even worse. Please reconsider the his action.
Reconsider? Well, sure, I am always willing to reconsider any decision I make. But I need a good reason to do so. Basically I have laid out the equation that is equivalent to 2 + 2 = 4. (A)Many people have abandoned support for the BOI/FaunaClassifeids + (B)I can no longer continue supporting the BOI by defending it against a frivolous lawsuit because of this lack of support = (C)the BOI has to go.

So in order to reconsider that equation, one or more of the following needs to be true:
  1. The equation is missing a value that would change the result
  2. I have misinterpreted one or both values
  3. Something has changed to make the equation invalid
  4. The equation has been faulty from the beginning

So which of the above applies here? Certainly just rehashing the same information and the same values would be a waste of time, so what has changed or what have I missed that needs to be reconsidered?

I seriously try to look at things from every angle I can think of when making decisions about this site, but that is not to say that I believe I am infallible and all knowing. So if someone can see flaws in my logic, then please, by all means, point that out to me. I am certainly willing to listen, and if applicable, to reconsider.
 
Old 09-13-2019, 02:12 AM   #262
RGMinc
Ok I look at most everything scientifically. The boi lost quite a bit of traffic when it was made only accessible to donating or pay members. I would change it back to an open forum, I would put in place a clear cut set of rules where actual facts ie email strings text strings etc must be included as well as photos to make a negative report. This assists in stopping the frivolous lawsuit issue. Here are the facts this is my proof that is the reason for a negative report. I would not allow threads that are 3&4 years old to be bumped. Unless say the same bad guy was at it again. I would allow the accused to present their case but only if they can also present proof..... these are just a couple of quick ideas at 2am
 
Old 09-13-2019, 06:01 PM   #263
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Ok I look at most everything scientifically. The boi lost quite a bit of traffic when it was made only accessible to donating or pay members.
Well yeah. The traffic loss was from those people no longer able to access that forum. That was expected. I actually closed it down to all but contributing members this past February, but decided to temporarily reopen it because comments were made that new members would not know what they were losing by not being able to view it. I guess some suspected that an influx of new participants and perhaps contributing members might make a difference concerning closing the BOI down permanently. After 6 months, it was clear to me that it made no difference at all, so I returned it to the closed state it is now in. As stated, the only reason I left the BOI open to paying members was because I felt that I owed them that extra year because some likely did contribute in order to support the BOI. Otherwise, it would have been shut down 02-02-2019 instead of a year later.

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I would change it back to an open forum, I would put in place a clear cut set of rules where actual facts ie email strings text strings etc must be included as well as photos to make a negative report.
I seriously doubt your suggestion would make a single tiny bit of difference concerning the lack of support the BOI needed to survive. So why bother? At this point it would be the equivalent of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

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This assists in stopping the frivolous lawsuit issue.
IMHO, no it wouldn't. Simply because something is provable fact wouldn't eliminate nor reduce someone's ire at having their dirty laundry exposed publicly at all. And it certainly would not deter anyone wanting such information suppressed at all costs from considering filing a lawsuit in order to try to make that happen by making such a threat.

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Here are the facts this is my proof that is the reason for a negative report.
So who is going to prove that the "facts" offered are actually REALLY facts? All types of "proof" can be fabricated by someone with the incentive and skills. For instance, some Joe Blow could claim that he bought something from you, create a realistic looking invoice via Photoshop, and claim that all of the animals had some terrible contagion. Here, this is the "proof" of the lab report that he also fabricated. Would that be believable? Yeah, probably so for some people. How would it be disproved without at least some shadow of doubt about you? Some people will believe that you are lying, instead of him, if he presents a convincing case. Especially if the discussion would be severely limited by rules restricting open discussion. Sometimes a "burden of proof" needs a lot of input from many interested parties in order to reach a threshold of believability.

That is why I never required proof. I knew it was not a feasible requirement that could be enforced, so I didn't even pretend to try.


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I would not allow threads that are 3&4 years old to be bumped. Unless say the same bad guy was at it again.
Why? New information could always be forthcoming that could either strengthen the claims being made, or else dispute them entirely. Why keep members from being able to present new evidence? The whole premise behind the BOI was to allow everyone to present whatever they can and wanted to in the way of proof, facts, opinions, and even speculation. Peer pressure was the presumed force that would be influential in persuading whichever party was seemingly in the wrong to make good on the deal. Unfortunately, that force is now lacking because there just is not a high enough percentage of people in this industry/hobby to reach that needed influence.

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I would allow the accused to present their case but only if they can also present proof..... these are just a couple of quick ideas at 2am
Again, someone would have to prove the proof being offered. As I mentioned, anything can be fabricated by a suitably motivated individual. Lord knows I have had people who wanted statements about themselves removed who forged documents claiming to be from attorneys to try to accomplish that goal. So participants could merely submit evidence in whatever form they felt relevant, and it was entirely up to the readership to make their own determination as to what constituted "facts" and/or "proof". No one here was going to try to make any sort of judgment call as to what was actually real or contrived. That puts a burden on me that I have never been willing to accept.

I am sorry, but this is pretty much all old news in reference to how the BOI should be run in one person's opinion. It would make no difference in the decision to close down the BOI at all, because it doesn't change anything in the equation. So there really is nothing for me to reconsider.

But thank you for the concern and the attempt to help.
 

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