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View Poll Results: Are Leucistic Black Rats pure?
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Yes
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Can't say for sure, could go either way.
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04-04-2006, 03:45 PM
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Are leucistic Black Rats pure or crossed with Texas Leucistic Rats?
This debate has been raging for years but I would like everyone's opinion here.
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04-04-2006, 06:31 PM
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100% definitely crossed
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04-05-2006, 07:23 AM
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Interesting John. Why do say 100% sure? Not to pick a fight just interested in your knowledge of this because I have heard so may theories. Thanks!
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04-05-2006, 09:18 PM
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I have been breeding Leucistic TR's since the mid 90's. I have also worked extensively with most other obsoleta ss. To the best of my knowledge, and I know most of the breeders who work with this species extensively, A pure Leucistic Black rat has never been produced / found.
I am also aware of several breeders who openly crossed the ss for two generations in the 90's and then marketed the 75% pure animals as 100% pure.
Since no one has ever claimed to have found / produced one in the recent past, I am 100% confident in my statement.
This is a similar situation to the proliferation of albino tri-color milk / king species. It's amazing how quickly they appeared once the Ruthven's and Nelsons popped up. You hear similar stories about Albino Pueblan's, Graybands etc....
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04-05-2006, 10:22 PM
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Wow John thanks for the lesson on this. Someone had told there was a guy in Ohio(I think his name was Matt) I believe that had a wild caught leucistic black rat back in the 90s. There are so many stories out there and unscrupulous breeders I guess we will never know.
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04-07-2006, 09:31 PM
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There supposedly was a wild caught snake from Ohio.The debate will go on forever as to the validity of it.We just went through a Leucistic thread from hell "elsewhere".My snakes where purchased as Leucistic BLACK RATS.I can not prove that they are for sure.I wish I could.I would not have knowingly bought texans.They bred last week.Next year I plan on breeding my female lucy to a giant long term captive normal blackrat male.I was told I should see some rustys from a lucy blackrat to normal blackrat pairing and that rustys are a visuall het. form of leucistic.
For what it's worth,each year I walk around the Hamburg Pa. show and compare what is marked black rat with what is marked texas rat (both lucys) and I can see a difference in head structure between the two.The texans having a larger head overall in length and width.Does this mean anything?I don't know.
It is said that Darren Bell aquired and bred the wild caught lucy from Ohio.
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04-08-2006, 05:50 PM
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Thanks for the input Michael! This is exactly the debate I was speaking about.
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