BP Genetics Question,How Is This Possible?

Has anyone disproved the Theory of the Spider Super? It was bandied about that a Super would produce all Spiders in every clutch (although there would be no way to visually differentiate a Super from a Normal Spider)...something to consider?

Originally Posted by deborahbroadus

Has anyone disproved the Theory of the Spider Super? It was bandied about that a Super would produce all Spiders in every clutch (although there would be no way to visually differentiate a Super from a Normal Spider)...something to consider?

Unless someone is willing to do some really in depth lab work,I guess we will never know.That had actually came up from a local breeder in my area who thought the same thing.Seems logical that it should be that way but....

The odds of you getting all nine spider babies is just less than 0.2%. Terribly unlikely. Id say odds are she was bred to a male homozygous for the spider trate. A "super spider" which would look no different but would carry 2 spider genes and would sire 100% spider babies. As far as the delayed fertilization goes, you'd need to know more about the timeline of the spider pairings to warrant a guess. Though snake sperm is encapsulated and capable of surviving for quite some time. Congratulations though!! That's very exciting!!

Pics!!!

three letters yet so important lol nice focal

Erhm.... (whispers) - its actually 4 letters.

But all the same yes we want pics! And to the person who has the spider male that consistantly throws all spiders, ( sorry, im on my phone so cant go back check ur name) how many females has he produced with?

Originally Posted by rcpreis3

Erhm.... (whispers) - its actually 4 letters.

But all the same yes we want pics! And to the person who has the spider male that consistantly throws all spiders, ( sorry, im on my phone so cant go back check ur name) how many females has he produced with?

Good question!

[quote=deborahbroadus;1355588]Has anyone disproved the Theory of the Spider Super? QUOTE]

I just had this talk with Nick Mutton. In case you do not know him, he is mainly a carpet python guy with a small but super nice ball collection and a gene god. We were talking about some of the morphs that do not have a super and how a couple BIG names tend to babble (lie) their way through questions. One of the easiest ways to conceal lethal combos is to say "I have been so busy making combos that I have never tried" which if you think about it is kinda funny. I have been making combos for many years to the tune of 4 and 5 gene animals but never tried for a super? He stated that every attempt he heard of has had the eggs die half way through incubation. The only ones that lived died a short period of time later, or just would not gain size. Now another question to come in to play is if their was a super spider out there that could just be a really reduced pattern.......who retarded would it be? Now on the other hand, would it make a baby without neurological issues? Two dwarfs can have a normal sized baby! I would imagine that if it could be done someone would have done it by now and have pics to prove it along with data. Now could it be that a spider bred to another spider with other genes in the mix could cancel a lethal gene and prove out? Its much like the question of the desert females not producing because of temps, but if you have a desert gene in a 3 gene female it will breed as the other two would but could possess the desert gene?

[quote=Randy F;1416075]

Originally Posted by deborahbroadus

Has anyone disproved the Theory of the Spider Super? QUOTE]

I just had this talk with Nick Mutton. In case you do not know him, he is mainly a carpet python guy with a small but super nice ball collection and a gene god. We were talking about some of the morphs that do not have a super and how a couple BIG names tend to babble (lie) their way through questions. One of the easiest ways to conceal lethal combos is to say "I have been so busy making combos that I have never tried" which if you think about it is kinda funny. I have been making combos for many years to the tune of 4 and 5 gene animals but never tried for a super? He stated that every attempt he heard of has had the eggs die half way through incubation. The only ones that lived died a short period of time later, or just would not gain size. Now another question to come in to play is if their was a super spider out there that could just be a really reduced pattern.......who retarded would it be? Now on the other hand, would it make a baby without neurological issues? Two dwarfs can have a normal sized baby! I would imagine that if it could be done someone would have done it by now and have pics to prove it along with data. Now could it be that a spider bred to another spider with other genes in the mix could cancel a lethal gene and prove out? Its much like the question of the desert females not producing because of temps, but if you have a desert gene in a 3 gene female it will breed as the other two would but could possess the desert gene?

I'm not sure that I'm getting your point. Can you clarify?

[quote=Randy F;1416075]

Originally Posted by deborahbroadus

Has anyone disproved the Theory of the Spider Super? QUOTE]

I just had this talk with Nick Mutton. In case you do not know him, he is mainly a carpet python guy with a small but super nice ball collection and a gene god. We were talking about some of the morphs that do not have a super and how a couple BIG names tend to babble (lie) their way through questions. One of the easiest ways to conceal lethal combos is to say "I have been so busy making combos that I have never tried" which if you think about it is kinda funny. I have been making combos for many years to the tune of 4 and 5 gene animals but never tried for a super? He stated that every attempt he heard of has had the eggs die half way through incubation. The only ones that lived died a short period of time later, or just would not gain size. Now another question to come in to play is if their was a super spider out there that could just be a really reduced pattern.......who retarded would it be? Now on the other hand, would it make a baby without neurological issues? Two dwarfs can have a normal sized baby! I would imagine that if it could be done someone would have done it by now and have pics to prove it along with data. Now could it be that a spider bred to another spider with other genes in the mix could cancel a lethal gene and prove out? Its much like the question of the desert females not producing because of temps, but if you have a desert gene in a 3 gene female it will breed as the other two would but could possess the desert gene?

I think my brain just exploded,