I haev a bussiness oppourtinity for anyone!!!

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The point is.......think about it.
What are your chances of getting the same breeder loan?
You have less expereince with these animals.
You do not have breeding expereince.
You have proven yourself to be a liar time and time again.
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Plus the obvious... Females don't usually get shifted for breeding loans. The male is sent to the owner of the female, after copulation, it is sent back. He wanted a reverse of that with terrible credibility and without the normal breeding loan split of 50/50 on the offspring, offering imaginary animals instead.

That ball in the pic Daniel looks similar.
&quot;Plus the obvious... Females don't usually get shifted for breeding loans. The male is sent to the owner of the female, after copulation, it is sent back. He wanted a reverse of that with terrible credibility and without the normal breeding loan split of 50/50 on the offspring, offering imaginary animals instead.&quot;

WOW!! &nbsp;I'm sorry i didn't know that you can only do breeding loans with female balls??
Now this fourm was for someone with an EXTRA FEMALE albino ball who WAS WILLING TO loan it out.
Also i didn't say any details as i thought this would happen it would be a 50/50 split in the END!! You can't take his babies as they would be hets then i couldn't breed those back to the dad.

Ritchie, you mean last year was your FIRST time actually breeding??

Dam* i thoought you where a hel* of a lot bigger than that for some reason?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?? For a 31 yr old to just now be breeding on purpose is strange for me but i can see how and why. &nbsp;Evan, post pics without a camera or a scanner?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>? Ok sure Evan, you seriously need to loosen up man, last time i talked to you, you where all u tight as nothing sold as where you gt your animals Darin was right behind you interesting isn't it??? &nbsp;O and put your snakes in YOUR pants lol im sorry if you can't remember but i do................................As for this whole thread and fourm i WILL more than LIKELY have everything that must be gone for sale at Lees!!!!

Ritchie i have owned many reptiles since i was 5 but my obession with snakes since i was 7, i have actually been in this business for just a little less time than you, but yet have done more why??? &nbsp;I just can't find that answer Ritchie?? Do you have it, and MY AUNT AND GRANDMA BOTH TOLD ME THESE WHERE HETS FROM P.K and i know what a het is and no, i am notnew to this business, Justyn. &nbsp;Now as for if its a db or just a het idk as i wasn't informed i also know that she found papers and they where feeding records recepits etc.

Justyn, you want to play a game of snake and mouse now??? Try to be the one with the pack as you feel you have to be???

Wait a minute.... Am I missing something here???

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...Do you have it, and MY AUNT AND GRANDMA BOTH TOLD ME THESE WHERE HETS FROM P.K and i know what a het is and no, i am notnew to this business, Justyn. spam_Now as for if its a db or just a het idk as i wasn't informed...
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Are you NOW telling us that the snow boa and the xanthic are HETS??? NOT the REAL animal??? This is getting curiouser and curiouser....
so, basically, if you show up with a NORMAL baby boa and ball python.... THAT'S what we're supposed to believe??? You are TOO MUCH!!.... hahahahaha

....Neil

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In a breeding loan, the male is usually sent to the owner of the female for a number of reasons... Ease with whicjh the genders tend to settle down and start copulating, the fact males are smaller and easier to transport &nbsp;and most of all... the fact that you &nbsp;want to avoid shipping a potentially gravid female if you can. They don't always &quot;miscarry&quot; easily but it's generally not worth the risk. A stressful move in improper temperatures after multiple copulationd over a time frame of a few weeks (for boids anyway) when the first few may have taken... &nbsp;Just seems foolish when there is virtually no risk in moving the male. I'm not really sure what your comments meant ther &nbsp;either but I took my best shot off what I think you may have been saying... Or trying to say anyway.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also i didn't say any details as i thought this would happen it would be a 50/50 split in the END!! You can't take his babies as they would be hets then i couldn't breed those back to the dad.
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If you're trying to produce snows and dealing &nbsp;with two recessive traits, breeding back to the father wouldn't even give you the genetics you need since your supposed axanthic that was to sire this clutch of double hets has normal melanin genes... Which would blow the project entirely. Besides which, it's apparantly only four days old or some such... which is a bit early to breed.

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Might I ask... So what? There are a number of positive things to be said about Ritchie... among them the fact that he isn't fourteen years old, illiterate and seemingly the stupidest human being walking the face of the planet who doesn't have twenty four hour supervision to &nbsp;ensure they don't hurt themselves... Pat, you sure your first name isn't Lenny or Forest or perhaps Fezzik?

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Obviously you don't if you think that crossing het for axanthic het for amelanistic animals with a full axanthic will produce Snows...

I goofed and overlooked the genetics involved myself but I at least have the excuse of making a mistake rather than simply never having know the basic principles involved.

Hey Pat, &nbsp;can you answer the following qustions... &nbsp;Just about this proposed breeding loan...

How old is your supposed Axanthic?

Can you explain the genetic traits involved by defining the vocabulary used and giving a brief rundown of basic mendelian genetics?

Why would you want a female shipped to you rather than &nbsp;sending your male off to fertalize a few females and then be returned?

Why would you propose someone take extremely dubious boas that started as &quot;het for snow&quot; then changed to snow... then proven... then babies rather than a normal 50/50 split on any offspring produced?

Where did you get this supposed axanthic ball python?

Why do you not understand that many places that develop normal film &nbsp;will place your pictures on a disc or CD for you at a minimal cost (Disposable camera=$10-15 Photo Processing + Picture CD= maybe another $10-15 tops... An offer of something like $160 if you can provide identifiable pictures last I checked (take the bet with neil that you have the animals for the extra $100))?

I hate to have to &nbsp;ask this but... In all seriousness, do you have some form of brain damage or any sort of developmental delay that would explain your inability to read, write, tell anything remotely connected to the truth, understand why everyone knows you're lying, prompt you to keep lying when you've been caught and lastly, insunuate in ANY way, shape or form that you're more competent than Ritchie?

Hell, label yourself more competent than me too and I'll send you copies of my transcripts and thesis... You'll enjoy them &nbsp;even if you won't be able to understand them. But of course personal experience, college, the ability to read... those mean nothing compared to the skills you have... I can't recall exactly what skills &nbsp;you have at the moment but I'm sure you can do something... well, sort of sure anyway. Color inside the lines maybe?

I'll be waiting anxiously to see what excuses you come up with for not providing proof of the animal's existance after Lee's. I don't have cable but I've been hearing a lot about some show called &quot;Jackass&quot; and you're about as close as I can get to it I think so your continued responses are important to me from an entertainment standpoint.

&quot;Now this fourm was for someone with an EXTRA FEMALE albino ball who WAS WILLING TO loan it out.&quot;

No, that is actually no where near the purpose of this &quot;fourm.&quot; &nbsp;This is not a classified section. &nbsp;Like people have said numerous times before, if you wanted to post something like this, do it in the classifieds. &nbsp;Then people will laugh at you there.

One more reason that males are often loaned and females are not. &nbsp;Males can be bred to multiple females, making it much more worthwhile. &nbsp;

And Patrick, don't try to belittle Ritche by telling us how many more animals you have bred than him. &nbsp;He's obviously been doing this for pleasure, not profit. &nbsp;Also, I think it's probably a pretty safe bet that you've never bred so much as a cricket. &nbsp;You certainly can't provide pictured proof of anything, and basically every statement you make here has either been proven to be a lie by your other statments, or is at the very least, highly suspect.

And since when were you &quot;in business?&quot; &nbsp;Do you have a liscense? &nbsp;Pay taxes?

Quit ignoring all the questions people have been asking you about all your contradictions. &nbsp;Quit lying about everything. &nbsp;You were caught a long time ago. &nbsp;I am with Seamus on this. &nbsp;Definitely entertaining.

In following this thread, I am torn between being amused and appalled by the persistent pattern of lies, even once he's been caught. &nbsp;First they were adult snows (99 adults purchased at a meet by a now deceased (?) aunt), then they're juveniles, then they're ill and may not be able to be transported for proof to Lee's, then they're hets (but still ill - how convenient). &nbsp;Let's not forget the supposed hospital stay, the dubious 'friend' of his father's and his input, plus Patrick has been a keeper and breeder since he was 5-7. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;Did I forget anything? &nbsp;We could fertilize most of the prairie with the bs this kid spouts.

When he first started posting, I figured he was into reptiles and was a bit of a braggart prone to embellishing the truth, never actually having produced anything but wanting to. &nbsp;Now I have no doubt that he hasn't produced anything as well as being a pathological liar. &nbsp;Perhaps his parents may have produced animals (highly unlikely) but no parent in their right mind is going to fund a hobby like this for anyone that young, much less with African rocks and all the other stuff he's claimed. &nbsp;At least if he were going to lie, he could keep the storyline straight, make notes or something to keep it consistent. &nbsp;It's so blatant now that this is a total fabrication simply because of the inconsistency of the storyline.

As for questioning Ritchie's ability, LOL at that. &nbsp;Many of us have kept reptiles near as long or longer than Patrick has even been on the planet. &nbsp;The people who are dedicated and serious about their pets aren't out to make a quick buck on them. &nbsp;I'm also 31 and I've only produced one litter so far, back in 2000, with another pair breeding this year. &nbsp;Know what that means? &nbsp;Squat. &nbsp;I’ve been keeping boas and pythons since 1990 or 1991, a good deal more experienced than Patrick, I’d say, and still no competition for many on this forum. &nbsp;With a small collection (18 personally and over half are juveniles), it isn't healthy for the animals that are of age to breed them every year. &nbsp;If Patrick had actually kept &amp; bred any of the animals he claims, he'd know that. &nbsp;There’s really no way for him to save face at this point. &nbsp;

The best you can do, Patrick, is to either prove that you have what you originally claimed (a 99 snow boa and an axanthic ball python – NOT hets) or just go away. &nbsp;At best you’re simply providing entertainment at this point and even that is bound to wear thin. &nbsp;You might also consider taking on a tutor to help with your writing ability and reading comprehension - you've got a lot of work ahead of you.

Dianne

I was curious.... &nbsp;Has anyone seen a phone number from Patrick? &nbsp;I just wonder if his parents are completely oblivious to what he does, and if they know about how much he lies and how badly he is in need of &quot;Hooked on Phonics.&quot; &nbsp;If I had the number, I'd give them a call and just ask them to read this thread. &nbsp;Has he ever posted a phone number?

Heck, maybe his parents would ground him from the internet for awhile...

After that thought...maybe I shouldn't call. &nbsp;I'd have to go back to watching TV for entertainment.

Well then, it didn't take long to get that out of you. &nbsp;So now they are hets according to your aunt and your deceased grandma. &nbsp;I wonder if they are creatable? &nbsp;Patrick, you ARE new to the business, wait, hm........, what business! &nbsp;So I am guess you pay sales tax on all your sales, and also file your taxes each year, are you incorporated, or do you have a DBA? &nbsp;May I ask what county you live in? &nbsp;I may have to call the courthouse and ask them about you and your business, that's if I would like to get a kick out of hearing what you have to say to cover up more of your lies. &nbsp;So now these hets, what do they look like? &nbsp;I don't know why a het would look anything like an Axanthic, but hey, I currently don't breed balls, so I might be wrong? &nbsp;Ha! &nbsp;Since you seem to know all about genetics, to produce snows, you have to breed two animals together that carry both traits, thus a double het, or a snow x double het, snow x snow. &nbsp;You just don't know what they are, if they are Double het. or just het? &nbsp;If you don't know that much about the genes of the snake you are supposedly keeping, I would hate to see your husbandry! &nbsp;Even if you did have a real snow or Axanthic, I wouldn't let it anywhere near me or my animals in fear of IBD. &nbsp;You don't have the snakes in question, simple as that.
Thanks
Justyn

Your right Patrick, you illiterate, stupid little pant load. You can afford to shop around an axanthic male ball worth about $5000 and 2 snow boas worth about $10000 and a spider ball worth $17500, but you can't afford a scanner at $50 or a camera at $150-200. That makes all kinds of sense. I also find it incredible that you would question the collection that I have when you have nothing and have proven nothing. Here is a pic of $10,000 worth of balls in front of this thread full of lies that you have posted, taken just now! A sub adult female albino, ghost and pastel ball, all of which I have many more of. For your info genius, Darin is a friend of mine and does not even work with most of the animals that I do! Moron. Anyone who was at my show saw my collection of balls, burms, tegus, colubrids, albino retics, etc., all displayed! Some of the top breeders in the world have been to my house and seen my collection! You Patrick are a little punk. I will now begin to go out of my way to make sure that nobody else has to put up with your garbage. You have made a very elite blacklist that I have not added anyone to in years. Congrats buddy. Evan Stahl