Leaving America for England!

I just think that more people voted AGAINST Hillary Clinton than voted FOR Trump, I can only hope that there will be a better opposition candidate next time and people might actually get to vote for someone they WANT, and who might be even slightly qualified to hold the post.

Originally Posted by hotlips

In your defense of trump, I can ONLY assume that you are every bit as racist, greedy, misogynistic, self-centered & mean-spirited as trump is, with no relation to the truth. Nice to know you're on board with all that.

Originally Posted by hotlips

I can ONLY assume that you are every bit as racist, greedy, misogynistic, self-centered & mean-spirited as trump is, with no relation to the truth.

I don't care much for Trump at alland based on his extremely poor behavior have very little respect for him; I think he is a substandard president in many ways, and I would not compare Rich to him. I've never even once seen Rich post anything racist or misogynistic and I've read thousands of his posts; and he certainly seems fair in how he handles issues here. I agree with his outlook on many things, but we differ significantly in political outlook.

Originally Posted by hotlips

I can ONLY assume that you are every bit as racist, greedy, misogynistic, self-centered & mean-spirited as trump is, with no relation to the truth.

Classic move Hotlips: "When the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the loser"

And yes, I'm sorry for saying that, it's not what I want to believe about you Rich, but what I meant by that, is that we "are" what we allow & stand up for. At the end of the day, I don't like loud-mouth bullies no matter how big their "playground" is...it's not funny, it's not entertaining, it's not dignified, it's not good for our nation, & at the end of the day, trump's nasty, indecent treatment of people just reflects poorly on the office of the president, & reflects poorly on our country in the eyes of the world. I'd like to think we're better than this as a nation...but these days, I have to wonder. If you stand by & pretend that the bad behavior you see is OK, then I still have to say, you "own" it.
Perhaps we'll just have to stick to talking about snakes & such...?

Truly it’s all a difference in opinion democrats focus more on the youth and republicans focus more on the retired folks. As a younger American during Obama’s presidency he helped me in a time that was made very hard for recent college grads during the recession. I imagine it did put a burden on folks over 40 but I’m not sure a lot of America realized how challenging it was for recent college grads to find gainful employment when the economy was down. Every place wanted 2-5 years of experience and most jobs didn’t pay enough to live outside of your parents home with the cost of college and the student loans we had to incur as a result. I believe a lot of the disconnect comes from neither members of each generation being able to agree on what is the best move for America. Truth be told if immigrants can take your job you need a better job, this country (as the population grows) will shift from a manufacturing hub to a technology and information hub and we have an obligation to make sure our children can survive the shift. A business man with a foul mouth is not the best republicans can do you all should demand better and I find it quite sad that the vast majority of trump supporters seem to be quite content with a candidate who does nothing but piss off the opposition. There’s better options you just need to demand it and if you’re sticking with trump because “he’s the best you got” then I really think you need to reflect a bit more because all signs currently point to him being a disaster and quite possibly a traitor. Maybe first demand the man’s tax returns at the very least...

Is the president of the USA publicly providing a copy of one or more of his tax returns a requirement of holding that office? If not, it's really no business of anyone else. I wouldn't give a copy of my tax return, neither, to anyone who asked. I don't have anything to hide, it's just not anyone else's business.

Perhaps Donald Trump is smart enough to realize that no matter how benign that document may be, the liberal left "fake news" media would surely FIND something to take issue over. So again, if he doesn't have to, he would be a fool to do so just to provide the swamp with some other molehill to blow up into a mountain.

I hope that in the future, we may see some rules changed for transparency from our presidential candidates. I "agree" that I wouldn't want to wave MY tax returns all over the place either, but there are VERY good reasons for that practice from presidential candidates, as you well know, Rich. It's demonstrates their connections are above-board, that they aren't a security risk by being indebted to the wrong people, etc. In the future, I also think presidential candidates should be required to pass a thorough background check for a TS+ clearance. It makes NO sense that all those around the POTUS must have clearances, but not the POTUS. That's absurdly risky for our nations...as we can all clearly see now.

trump may love to reject all the "norms" of the office, but I believe we'll see there's a LOT more to it than him just not wanting to provide "ammunition" for his opponents. And...why oh why does he ACT so GUILTY? like a person with mountains of stuff to hide? I may be too cynical, Rich, but methinks you're awfully trusting. Besides that, trump promised to release his taxes...and it's well-proven that he lies almost constantly, something we have NEVER seen before. Surely you cannot be proud of him for that???

To smithak: I must be in the wrong party then...I'm one o' them retired folks, lol.

Wow...just wow come on man you’re better than that, “fake news” seriously?!? 3000+ false claims over, 100 days of golf, freaking lying about paying a porn star, literal constant blatant division ever heard of “buzz” words?!? He’s the master at feeding you exactly what you want to hear and has you regurgitating his bull all day, don’t pull that selective hearing stuff there’s more at stake here than your 401k and having to press 1 for English on 1 out of 10 calls. It’s that kind of identity politics left and right crap that's only making this worse. He is the swamp now.