Adam Wysocki - No response

Yea but I was'nt given the benefit of doubt only by a few few certain people that had their own agenda to discredit me, oh that's right you were one of the few that worked on that agenda.

Now your buddy Adam has proven to be ummm not lets say bad guy, do you have another word for it Sam?

Originally Posted by serpentsden

Yea but I was'nt given the benefit of doubt only by a few few certain people that had their own agenda to discredit me, oh that's right you were one of the few that worked on that agenda.

Now your buddy Adam has proven to be ummm not lets say bad guy, do you have another word for it Sam?

I guess if asking you questions, most of which you avoided, to try and get the actual facts constitutes an agenda, then sure I had one...
I mean I had so much to gain by discrediting you, right?

And I don't know what is going on with Adam, as I previously stated, but I haven't seen anything "proven" so far in this thread. I wasn't going to come right out and call you a hypocrite, but you do a pretty good job yourself of showing that you are...

Originally Posted by Gecko_Den

I haven't spoken to Adam, and do not know the whole story here. However, I am amazed Steve that given your history you are so quick to judge without knowing all of the facts. It wasn't that long ago that you were a fugitive from justice, on the run, and asking for everyone to give you the benefit of the doubt before passing judgment...

Please stay on topic. Whether Joe Blow got in trouble last year and we weren't polite to him or didn't give HIM the benefit of a doubt has nothing to do with the current situation.

The OP is owed 5K by a formerly "good guy" that hasn't paid this debt and in fact has ignored it for TWO YEARS. All the while skipping to various shows and doing various other acts that show that he has money and time....

This is not about giving the benefit of a doubt at this point. This has been dagged on entirely too long, and if it were our money, I am sure all of us would agree.

I would not send anyone donations for anything if I knew they owed people serious money. Would the donation money make it where it was supposed to go....?

Dave

I don't see how Steve's or anybody else past legal issues is relevant to the topic which is Adam stealing money.

Which if anybody wants to contest the term theft I'd say more than two years would show that he has no intentions of giving the money back. There for... THEFT.

Originally Posted by dturner100

I don't see how Steve's or anybody else past legal issues is relevant to the topic which is Adam stealing money.

Which if anybody wants to contest the term theft I'd say more than two years would show that he has no intentions of giving the money back. There for... THEFT.

I agree. The issue had already been addressed in Ball-pythons.net and according to what I read, the OP's case was verified.

Originally Posted by deborahbroadus

I agree. The issue had already been addressed in Ball-pythons.net and according to what I read, the OP's case was verified.

Is there a link to this verification?

2 years is theft in my books. Theres really no way to justify it especially claiming to have spent the money.. like "sorry", none of those snakes have held the same price value, so the chances of him getting all his money back from selling them off is slim, IMO

Originally Posted by whomikebrown89

Is there a link to this verification?

Sure there is...but it shouldn't be posted. There is a thread stuck at the top of the BOI which explains this (anonymous third party posting).

And regarding the back and forth between Sam and Steve - the subject of THIS thread is Adam Wysocki. You are both welcome to participate in this thread, as long as you can keep that fact in mind.

Yuck. My mind keeps going back to a situation on a bird forum I was a longtime member of. The owner also had a store attached to the forum, and was a good guy for many years. Then he got into some financial trouble and it spiralled down from there. The money that was supposed to be used for orders was used to wine and dine a new boyfriend. He would continue taking new orders just so he could use that money to fill old ones through his supplier, and nothing ever got caught up. He promised a few times that all orders would eventually be filled, or money would be returned. Some received orders, others did not. But we could all see his cavortings on facebook. Couldn't fill or pay back orders yet had the money to go on trips, out to expensive dinners, clubbing, etc. The store did eventually shut down, and his name is ruined.

My apology for the rambling, but this just strikes a chord that's eerily close with me..

I hope that's not what's going on with Adam. I dealt with him a few years ago and he was nothing but prompt and courteous. I do agree, an effort should at least continue to be made even if it can't be resolved right this second. Emails/phone calls go a long way toward showing you're making an effort. Two years is a long time to do nothing but make promises, regardless of a reputation.

Deb when you become an admin then you can tell me what is or isn't relevant; until then, keep it to yourself, I'm totally uninterested in pretty much anything you have to say, ever....

Since we haven't heard from both parties, nor do we know what may or may not have been agreed upon, it's a bit premature to assign fault, or disparage Adam based on what has been "proven" or not "proven" so far in this thread...