Noah Miller

I hope this is the right place for this.

First I would like to say I don't run to the BOI every time someone upsets me, but this time......

I have a proven 06' normal female ball python for sale, and I posted her on CL for $100, so I could find a local buyer.

Tonight I get an e-mail from Noah Miller saying he would buy her but I'm asking too much. So I reply that is what they go for online, but to make me an offer.

Now I know people who are "hooked up" can get good deals, and I see nothing wrong with that, but if you get proven breeders for $40.00 why would you even take the time to e-mail someone selling his for $100.00, and tell him he is asking too much, and then call him a f%$# stick?

here are all the e-mails, I would stay away from this guy........

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2006 CB 0.1 Ball Python (Tampa)Friday, May 27, 2011 7:33 PM
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Id be interested but that's too much for a normal
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/pet/2405734326.html

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Re: 2006 CB 0.1 Ball Python (Tampa)Friday, May 27, 2011 7:41 PM
From: "Bruce Ungerer" <bighazepythons@yahoo.com>View contact details
To: "noah miller" <nnmiller87346@gmail.com>

Well on Ke, and Fauna Classifieds..Normal proven breeder females go for $75.00-$150.00 so....

I am open to offers as I need the cage space for new project, however I'm not going to just give her away......

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Re: 2006 CB 0.1 Ball Python (Tampa)Friday, May 27, 2011 7:42 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"noah miller" <nnmiller87346@gmail.com>Add sender to Contacts
To: "Bruce Ungerer" <bighazepythons@yahoo.com>

So nothing! That's full blown retail. I get them for $40

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Re: 2006 CB 0.1 Ball Python (Tampa)Friday, May 27, 2011 7:47 PM
From: "Bruce Ungerer" <bighazepythons@yahoo.com>View contact details
To: "noah miller" <nnmiller87346@gmail.com>

well then get them for 40..........I didn't ask you to buy mine......What was your point in e-mailing me then if you didn't want her, or were you just hoping to low ball someone who didn't know what they had?

Don't be that guy.................no one invites that guy to the party.....

Have a nice day.

Now I will be the first to say maybe I could of replied a little better...but I don't think I deserved this...

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Re: 2006 CB 0.1 Ball Python (Tampa)Friday, May 27, 2011 7:49 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"noah miller" <nnmiller87346@gmail.com>Add sender to Contacts
To: "Bruce Ungerer" <bighazepythons@yahoo.com>

Look stick! Id buy it but not for 100 bucks. Have a good one trying to sell that trash for that much.

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Re: 2006 CB 0.1 Ball Python (Tampa)Friday, May 27, 2011 8:04 PM
From: "Bruce Ungerer" <bighazepythons@yahoo.com>View contact details
To: "noah miller" <nnmiller87346@gmail.com>

you know I tried to ask you to make an offer as I was open to one. However you didn't make one...Thats cool, it's well within your right not to make an offer.....

Now you Call me a F' stick.......Nice .....

Have a good day.

(now with this e-mail, I did re type it a few times, and I had leftovers from copying and pasting and what not. That did get sent to him,[I wouldn't sell you a dead rat for $1,000.00 these e-mails will be posted to the BOI, I'll just add them to one of your many posts on] and thats where I had stopped, I did a search on him, and 3 post in the BOI came up, but I didn't take the time to read them, so I thought I had deleted that part.)

Anyway I know I didn't get ripped off or anything, I just wanted to share what kind of person he is.

I have sent him an e-mail telling about this post.....

Originally Posted by Bighaze

Don't be that guy.................no one invites that guy to the party.....

Have a nice day.

Now I will be the first to say maybe I could of replied a little better...but I don't think I deserved this...

So you toss off a nasty little barb and get your panties in a wad when the guy comes back at you. THAT'S a BOI post? Get real........

thats really just a saying...... I never thought of it as a "nasty little barb"

In fact I have never seen, or head of anyone not taking that as just way to say

"hang on a min don't you think thats just bit harsh" so to say....

But I did say "I will be the first to say maybe I could of replied a little better"

Originally Posted by Bighaze

But I did say "I will be the first to say maybe I could of replied a little better"

Yeah, You baited him, he comes back at you. What did you expect. This is not the kind of stuff you should bring here IMHO especially since you initiated the escalation of the conversation.

you may be right about bringing it here, I wasn't sure.

But from my POV he initiated the escalation of the conversation when he said

"So nothing! That's full blown retail. I get them for $40"

I wasn't posting her on a wholesale website, and I kind of took it personal....and reacted as such....but I still don't think he should of call me a f%$# stick....

if this isn't the right place to post about this, then by all means remove it.... I just relay wanted to hear if anyone else had anything like this with him...

Oh yea forgot to say my ad did say obo......

Not exactly the worst thing here on the BOI, but that kind of behavior is more than completely unprofessional enough that now I know I wouldn't want two words with that guy. More people need to realize that acting out like that has consequences, and won't necessarily be kept private.

I for one am thankful when stuff like this gets posted on the BOI. Even though it's likely I would have never spoken with this person anyways, now I know he is a person I would not deal with. Anyone who speaks that way to a potential seller does not deserve snakes. ESPECIALLY a person who is referring to a snake as "trash". Since when is ANY SNAKE trash? That was the deal sealer for me! Yes, maybe OP was a bit antagonistic but at least they don't refer to snakes as trash!

Originally Posted by Bighaze

First I would like to say I don't run to the BOI every time someone upsets me, but this time......

But you did? I am not one to discourage someone from posting a BOI thread very often. But this is just ridiculous IMO.

Low balling happens all the time. And you didn't get what I would consider rude responses until you baited him with your own rude responses because you were upset he low balled you (highlighted in the below quote).

Originally Posted by Bighaze

Id be interested but that's too much for a normal
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/pet/2405734326.html

this message was remailed to you via: comm-jemyf-2405734326@craigslist.org

My 1st reply

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Re: 2006 CB 0.1 Ball Python (Tampa)Friday, May 27, 2011 7:41 PM
From: "Bruce Ungerer" View contact details
To: "noah miller"

Well on Ke, and Fauna Classifieds..Normal proven breeder females go for $75.00-$150.00 so....

I am open to offers as I need the cage space for new project, however I'm not going to just give her away......

his next reply

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Re: 2006 CB 0.1 Ball Python (Tampa)Friday, May 27, 2011 7:42 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"noah miller" Add sender to Contacts
To: "Bruce Ungerer"

So nothing! That's full blown retail. I get them for $40

My next reply was.

Re: 2006 CB 0.1 Ball Python (Tampa)Friday, May 27, 2011 7:47 PM
From: "Bruce Ungerer" View contact details
To: "noah miller"

well then get them for 40..........I didn't ask you to buy mine......What was your point in e-mailing me then if you didn't want her, or were you just hoping to low ball someone who didn't know what they had?

Don't be that guy.................no one invites that guy to the party.....

Have a nice day.

If you spoke to me that way, you would likely get a fair bit of attitude from me too. You are free to charge what you want for your snakes. That being said, you can regularly find proven breeder female normals for around 50 bucks at reptile shows. So yes he did low ball offer you but lets be real it is craigslist. I would not expect to get the same type of responses to an add on craigslist as I would say here. Also, not bring up the standard craigslist reply post but the craigslist terms of service says it is not for retail. So you really shouldn't be surprised when people have an attitude when you are trying to get retail for your animal. That's part of posting adds on craigslist.

This SHOULD NOT be here IMO.