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Offered for sale is this very cool project.

This is a pair of het caramel glows (double het hypo/ghost, het caramel.) I purchased them in September directly from BHB at Anaheim, but a new project awaits me. I can provide a copy of the sales slip and references if interested.

Anyhow, here's a little about the pair:

Picture one: The female is 190 grams. She's eating F/T rat pups.

Picture two: The male is 147 grams. He's a live rat pup eater.

The pair is only $2000 SHIPPED OBO anywhere in the continental US. MAY also ship to to the Hamm Germany show - additional costs would apply. Payment plans available - email or call for details.

We guarantee live delivery as long as someone 18 years or older is home to sign for the package as arranged. We also offer a 7 day guarantee on our geckos. Please see the website for more detailed information.

We ship anywhere in the continental United States. We are certified by Fed Ex to ship live harmless reptiles.

All orders must be paid in full prior to shipping. We accept postal money orders, cashier's checks, PayPal, or personal checks. Visa and Mastercard accepted through Paypal only at this time. Please make money orders or personal checks out to Debbie Prince. We welcome personal checks, but we will only ship once we can confirm the check has cleared our account. At the time of payment please provide us with your full name, complete shipping address, and daytime and nighttime phone numbers.

Please feel free to email or call with any questions. Thanks for looking!!

Debbie Prince
info@thegeckoprince.com
530-320-9185

The following was added on 11/19/08

This pair was hatched in August of 20008.
URL: http://thegeckoprince.com
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Caramel albino female - GORGEOUS!
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Offered for sale is this this AMAZING caramel albino female. She was hatched in June of 08, and is currently 246 grams. She is eating F/T adult mice.

This girl is only $1800 SHIPPED OBO anywhere in the continental US. MAY also ship to to the Hamm Germany show - additional costs would apply. Payment plans available - email or call for details.

We guarantee live delivery as long as someone 18 years or older is home to sign for the package as arranged. We also offer a 7 day guarantee on our geckos. Please see the website for more detailed information.

We ship anywhere in the continental United States. We are certified by Fed Ex to ship live harmless reptiles.

All orders must be paid in full prior to shipping. We accept postal money orders, cashier's checks, PayPal, or personal checks. Visa and Mastercard accepted through Paypal only at this time. Please make money orders or personal checks out to Debbie Prince. We welcome personal checks, but we will only ship once we can confirm the check has cleared our account. At the time of payment please provide us with your full name, complete shipping address, and daytime and nighttime phone numbers.

Please feel free to email or call with any questions. Thanks for looking!!

Debbie Prince
info@thegeckoprince.com
530-320-9185
URL: http://thegeckoprince.com
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If it was overheating, that may be the cause, ( What kind of heat pack was used? they all have different peak temps, and temperature durations) but i also wonder if it was because of how the animals were shipped.... The snake that had the problems was on the bottom right? Were they placed in bags? ( if i missed this please just PM me/link) if so, could an animal being crushed by others cause these same symptoms?

I know of stories where multiple animals shipped in one box have killed others within that box due to the weight of the animals on top shifting and crushing them/causing enough injury to cause them to become lethargic and eventually die.

Whats with the change of the web page? Why was this done? When EXACTLY was payment sent for these animals? Was the buyer made aware of these changes to your terms before money was sent? were they made aware of the terms for these animals at the time of purchase? Did they even ask?

Originally Posted by Mooing Tricycle

If it was overheating, that may be the cause, ( What kind of heat pack was used? they all have different peak temps, and temperature durations) but i also wonder if it was because of how the animals were shipped.... The snake that had the problems was on the bottom right? Were they placed in bags? ( if i missed this please just PM me/link) if so, could an animal being crushed by others cause these same symptoms?

I know of stories where multiple animals shipped in one box have killed others within that box due to the weight of the animals on top shifting and crushing them/causing enough injury to cause them to become lethargic and eventually die.

Whats with the change of the web page? Why was this done? When EXACTLY was payment sent for these animals? Was the buyer made aware of these changes to your terms before money was sent? were they made aware of the terms for these animals at the time of purchase? Did they even ask?

I still have the box and heatpack and all contents . She said in a prior post it was a 40 hr pack . I have not confirmed this . The box was a virtual oven due to the padded foil panels within the styrofaom...add 3 6 mo old bps in bags adn not only did it most likely get too hot...the weight of the others and lack of space would/could have prevented the animal from expanding its lungs or so I am told by others with experience .
And no I was not notified of any change in policy . I went back to her site to retrieve her ph # and couldnt find it any more . The night I was at the vet trying to reach her .....another breeder searched the net for me and found it somewhere .
I dont think she posted the emails of my numerous requests for her ph # prior to and after shipping . As I told her my notebook had been misplaced a few days prior when I was in the hospital .
When I did get her ph # through another breeder and called from the vet that night she acted surprised and even reluctantly admitted it was even her on the phone . I finally just said Debbie I know this is you and proceeded to tell her what was going on and make sure she understood there was a possibility of IBD and she should lock down . That was when she told me her friend came over and verified she didnt have ibd ??
But no we were not notified that her guarentee was no longer available after we purchased ....it just became apparent that was what the scam was .

Originally Posted by Mooing Tricycle

If it was overheating, that may be the cause, ( What kind of heat pack was used? they all have different peak temps, and temperature durations) but i also wonder if it was because of how the animals were shipped.... The snake that had the problems was on the bottom right? Were they placed in bags? ( if i missed this please just PM me/link) if so, could an animal being crushed by others cause these same symptoms?

I know of stories where multiple animals shipped in one box have killed others within that box due to the weight of the animals on top shifting and crushing them/causing enough injury to cause them to become lethargic and eventually die.

Whats with the change of the web page? Why was this done? When EXACTLY was payment sent for these animals? Was the buyer made aware of these changes to your terms before money was sent? were they made aware of the terms for these animals at the time of purchase? Did they even ask?

sorry to skip your other question . these are the ads that the animals were purchased from . we made pymts as agreed beginning within a couple days of the ads running.

Originally Posted by RB_BPz

Believe it or NOT...Yes and im guilty of this so im not just pointing the finger here

A flipper is someone that buys animals strictly for the purpose of reselling them, not someone that buys animals for their collection and then decides to sell them later on.

Originally Posted by myminskins

Offered for sale is this this AMAZING caramel albino female. She was hatched in June of 08, and is currently 246 grams. She is eating F/T adult mice.

Debbie, who hatched this BP and who did you buy it from?

Will you do an IBD test to rule out that and to assure yourself and evryone else that you do not in fact have IBD running rampant in your collection?

Originally Posted by Ed Clark

Tell us a lil

I'm always a little confused

Nope, I didnt read the thread! Just know since Eddy posted a comment it wasnt about him.. Am I right?

Originally Posted by Wolfy-hound

Since she said the heat pack was on the top, and repeatedly said the "car" was on the bottom, I can't see how the "car" is damaged by heat, when the other two snakes(which there is nearly no mention of) are supposedly fine.
I would guess that perhaps the caramel was damaged in shipping by the box being dropped? But if it were overheating, then either the other snakes should show MORE damag(being closer to the heat), or the caramel should have been on top.
Why hasn't there been a necropsy? Is the snake still alive? How long since shipping has it been? If it's been longer than a month, and the snake is eating, no regurging and no RI or mouth rot, then I'd not suspect IBD any longer.
From personal experiance with vets and IBD symptoms...
Even reptile vets will immediately jump to the possibility of IBD. This is not a bad thing, but it does mean a lot of times they say IBD.. when it's just injury or genetics.
IBD can be seen in blood, organs or brain tissues. BUT.. IBD can be present in just one or two places.. and not seen in the others. However, you cannot rule OUT IBD in any snake at all, ever. You cannot prove a negative in this case. If the vet euthanized the snake, and took samples of the brain to test, the vet will then say that the IBD might have been in bits of the brain other than the biopsied portions. Same for negative results on blood, or even on organ biopsys.
If there's no IBD in the blood.. then they normally want to biopsy the organs. If there's no IBD in the organs.. then they want to biopsy the brain(after euthanisia).
Unless you have a necropsy report you don't know what happened to the snake, so should not be accusing anyone of having IBD. If that snake has IBD, then it should be dead within about a month, and the other two should already be showing symptoms.

AFTER ALL THIS... the seller should offer a refund or replacement. With the risk of IBD, then I could understand requesting ONLY a refund, ONCE you provide proof the snake is dead and being necropsied. Why the snake was damaged is irrelevant to getting a refund or replacement. The snake obviously arrived damaged in some way.
*side note* Karo syrup is often used on small kittens or puppies(or small dogs) that are shocky, in order to raise the blood sugar when they have been stressed. It's not totally implausiable for someone knowledgable about stressed kittens to suggest "Hey I give them karo syrup, is there something like that I can give a stressed snake?". No, no one should give any snake karo syrup, but it's not as if she suggested giving the snake a cookie to eat.

The customer needs to provide the proof that the snake has been euthanized, then the seller should refund the money. The vet necropsy report should be posted no matter WHAT it says, to show whether either collection is at risk of IBD or NOT.

My $0.02.
Theresa Baker

The snake is still alive so there has been no necropsy but there was a blood test done to look for inclusions which came back negative. So it's likely heat stroke and/or oxygen deprivation that caused it to be like it is. However when Debbie was first notified of this there is no way she would have know it was not IBD and still blew it off as no big deal. Since the snake is not dead a necropsy cannot be done, and as Debbie stated she won't take the snake back at this point to decide what should be done with it. At this point if the snake can have any quality of life it may not need to be euthanised unless someone needs piece of mind.

The 40 hour heat packs heat up to 155 degrees and use up the oxygen inside the box -- packed inside foil you can imagine how hot it was and how little outside air exchange there was -- why the other two were not affected who knows maybe they to a lesser extent - maybe being on the top they had more air circulation, maybe they were better hydrated, less stressed - maybe the snake was not right going into the bag in the first place -- it's anyones guess.