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Old 12-15-2016, 02:56 PM   #11
Pasodama
The side pics needed to show entire tail or, at least, the entire first half. That said, I do know how hard it can be to photograph water snakes while "in hand".

These pics have me slightly conflicted but I think I will go with my initial guess.

Something else you could try, if there is nobody nearby to pop/probe, is putting the two together. Only long enough to determine behavior. To see if the male will try courting the female.
If one starts following the other, attempting to "ride" the other, etc., etc., that would, highly likely, be the male.
You can separate them as soon as you determine their behavior and before any actual breeding occurs.

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Old 12-15-2016, 03:15 PM   #12
Yutyrannus
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The side pics needed to show entire tail or, at least, the entire first half. That said, I do know how hard it can be to photograph water snakes while "in hand".

These pics have me slightly conflicted but I think I will go with my initial guess.

Something else you could try, if there is nobody nearby to pop/probe, is putting the two together. Only long enough to determine behavior. To see if the male will try courting the female.
If one starts following the other, attempting to "ride" the other, etc., etc., that would, highly likely, be the male.
You can separate them as soon as you determine their behavior and before any actual breeding occurs.

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Little dudes are only about 2 months old, so that wouldn't really occur either way
 
Old 12-15-2016, 03:34 PM   #13
Pasodama
Try the following:

Look at their heads.
The female's head is likely to be a bit "heavier" than the male's.

Look at size/lengths.
While female's are longer, overall (than the male), the male's tail is proportionately a little longer than a female's (from vent to tail tip).

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Old 12-15-2016, 03:36 PM   #14
Beyond GenetiX
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Am starting to second guess myself.

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Agreed, it's tough sometimes to tell in person but more so in pictures.
 
Old 12-15-2016, 03:39 PM   #15
Pasodama
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Little dudes are only about 2 months old, so that wouldn't really occur either way
LoL That is true.
Didn't even take into account their small size indicating "babies". A "duh" moment.

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Old 12-15-2016, 03:55 PM   #16
Beyond GenetiX
In the first picture it looks like the "bulge" ends about 9-10 scales from the vent, in the second picture it looks to be about 4-6. I could be wrong, it's much easier with western hognoses.

I wouldn't mind meeting somewhere to help you out but it would have to be after the holidays.
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Old 12-15-2016, 04:05 PM   #17
Pasodama
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I wouldn't mind meeting somewhere to help you out but it would have to be after the holidays.
That is so nice, of you, Jason.

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Old 06-12-2017, 09:28 PM   #18
LLLReptile Chris MacHale
The males gonna have a longer tail.
 

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