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09-24-2002, 01:18 AM
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Cereal Company Joins in Partnership with Nation’s Largest Animal Rights Group (12/11)
reprinted by permission of WLFA
General Mills, maker of a variety of breakfast cereals, is promoting the nation’s largest animal rights organization by distributing free calendars in specially marked boxes of Golden Grahams cereal.
The “Pets and Their Celebrities” 2002 calendars feature information from the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and its Kids in Nature’s Defense (KIND) News. It includes photos of a number of celebrities and their pets, including Christina Applegate, David Alan Grier and Brendan Fraser.
KIND News is a classroom newspaper the HSUS uses to spread its animal rights message to children. Produced by the National Association for Humane and Environmental Education, a youth education division of the HSUS, this newspaper is printed monthly and is read by more than 1.2 million school children, grades K-6.
“General Mills has made a tremendous mistake in its support of the Humane Society of the United States,” said WLFA President Bud Pidgeon. “In this partnership, General Mills and Golden Grahams cereal are promoting an organization that is determined to eliminate the American traditions of hunting, fishing, trapping, animal agriculture and other animal use.”
General Mills is not alone in their misunderstanding of the nation’s largest animal rights group.
“The HSUS has millions of people fooled into thinking it is raising money to save dogs and cats that are stranded in local shelters,” said Pidgeon. “The truth is HSUS does not operate or oversee any animal shelters. In fact, the organization spent less that one percent of its 1999 income of $67 million on grants to wildlife, animal habitat and dog and cat shelters.”
Take Action! Sportsmen should contact General Mills to express their extreme displeasure of its support for the Humane Society of the United States. Contact Stephen W. Sanger, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of General Mills, at P.O. Box 1113, Minneapolis, MN, 55440 or call him at (763) 764-7600.
You may also send an online comment to General Mills through this link: http://www.generalmills.com/corporate/comments/ or call them toll free # 1-(800) 328-1144 (7:30 a.m. - 5:30 p.m. CST, weekdays)
here is the link
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09-24-2002, 09:10 AM
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Good looking out Sir and an excellent point about humane societies and animal rights groups in general... They do not like the pet trade or any sort of naturalist spotsman activities. Many of these types of groups get even more restrictive than that... PETA for instance wants to end the use of animals in all medical testing and manufacture of drugs and medicines... Antivenin for instance... and Insulin (despite the fact their president is a severe diabetic, it's okay for her to use it because her life means more than yours).
One thing though...
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Christina Applegate, David Alan Grier and Brendan Fraser.
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Which would be... Married with Children, In Living Color and Encino Man (which was a PAULY SHORE movie)...
I don't think there's too much of a threat from any of these guys on the celebrity reccognition front for the majority of your golden grahms eating demographic... David Alan Greir still has the occasional funny moment... But not a one of them is exactly a celebrity in the common use of the word... More "washed up hacks" than anything else.
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09-24-2002, 10:20 AM
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
Christina Applegate, David Alan Grier and Brendan Fraser.
Which would be... Married with Children, In Living Color and Encino Man (which was a PAULY SHORE movie)...
I don't think there's too much of a threat from any of these guys on the celebrity reccognition front for the majority of your golden grahms eating demographic... David Alan Greir still has the occasional funny moment... But not a one of them is exactly a celebrity in the common use of the word... More "washed up hacks" than anything else.
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You dont get to the movies much if you think Encino man was Brendan Fraser's las movie. He is also the lead star in The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, George of The Jungle, Blast from the Past and quite a few others that are pretty popular, along with a few that were very stupid hehe but still I wouldnt consider him a washed up hack. The rest yes I would agree with that.
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09-24-2002, 01:00 PM
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Thanks for the heads up; I sent in my comments in opposition of this partnership between GM and HSUS. I made sure to point out that my consumption of GM products would cease if their support of HSUS did no cease.
One note, someone added a post saying that it was good of you to warn us about this and that HUMANE SOCIETIES (in general as I understood the reply) were anti pet owners. That in essence is not usually correct in my experience. Humand Societies are usually pro pet owner, and usually run animal shelters where they offer pets for adoption. It is THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES, aka HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE US, aka: HSUS that is adamantly opposed to pet ownership from what others have told me and from what I have read about them. Please don't confuse the HSUS with your local Humane Society - they are usually on different tracks all together.
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09-26-2002, 10:34 PM
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I'd just like to note that the Humane Society of the US *is* pro-pet, as far as domesticated pets...They recognize that cats and dogs can't survive out in the wild because they've been bred to please humans and are now dependent on us. I'm not siding with them 100% or even close--they send me SO much junk mail!--but their main goals involve things like banning/closing puppy mills, creating more no-kill animal shelters, convincing people to get a pet from a shelter instead of a pet store, etc., and *getting the word out*. That last part relates to the cereal thing. They just want kids to grow up feeling compassion for animals, etc etc., I'll stop before I start sounding too much like a crazy hippie. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=' '>
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09-26-2002, 10:41 PM
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And two more things:
1.) In reference to:
“General Mills and Golden Grahams cereal are promoting an organization that is determined to eliminate the American traditions of hunting, fishing, trapping, animal agriculture and other animal use.”...and all that crap about sportsmen... That's ridiculous. OF COURSE they want to eliminate these so-called "American traditions"! To quote so many vegs before me: "How can you love an animal called a pet and eat an animal called dinner?" The point is, there's no such thing as a meat-eating environmentalist or meat-eating animal-lover, and most of the people who run these organizations (HSUS, PETA, etc.) are both.
2.) Insulin, though tradionally extracted from pig pancreas, can now be synthesized in a lab using a strain of bacteria found in the human gut...LacZ60? Something like that.
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09-26-2002, 11:33 PM
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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and all that crap about sportsmen... That's ridiculous. OF COURSE they want to eliminate these so-called "American traditions"</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yes... much better to let these animals overpopulate and starve if the chronic wasting disease doesn't get 'em first. That's enormously humane, isn't it? Where do you think the money to maintain wildlife preserves and state and national forests and parks comes from? All those jogging liscences?
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The point is, there's no such thing as a meat-eating environmentalist or meat-eating animal-lover</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I eat meat... I've got the degrees and the history of personal action and activism to be considered an environmentalist... I am also an animal lover- and reccognize there are biological imperatives and evolutionary niches for predatory species. Humans may not have to eat meat (and incidentally, the jury is still out on that and I don't really want a bunch of fanatical vegan literature telling me different... Facts and numbers are subjective no matter how firmly any given individual believes them) but I enjoy it and it's my moral descision to do so or not do so.
I'm not going to start attacking you tofu munchers for the death of plants... And I can certainly find enough "facts" to twist around and convince people who don't know better that they feel it when they are killed with documentation... But somehow that respect for an alternate viewpoint and allowance for alternate value systems doesn't extend both ways.
And that crack about no need for medical testing on animals... I'd really like you to stand in front of a gymnasium full of cancer patients (stereotypical example I know, but appropriate), people who have been paralized due to nervous system damage, MS afflicted individuals and people who's kids have died from any number of complications that there is ongoing research for that involves... Yes, Rats occasionally dying or being deliberatly injured or afflicted with a sickness! and explain to those people why animal testing is wrong and that they can just go ahead and live in pain until they die, long before they otherwise might.
I need to go now because that steak the size of a toilet seat has been on my grill for a full two minutes and I don't want the center to warm up before I eat it. I'll close with the line "Sic semper tyrannus" and a request that you look at your uncompromising veggie and vegan views and consider the fact that they just maybe are an infringement on the "rights" of other humans.
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09-26-2002, 11:57 PM
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HSUS is by no means the "animal welfare" organization that they tout themselves as. They are a left-wing animal rights group, with much the same misguided agendas as PeTA (People for extremism and terrorist acts).
Some notable quotes from the HSUS hieracrchy...
"The life of an ant and the life of my child should be granted equal consideration"- Dr. Michael Fox
(On the use of insect sprays) "Only a few of the million you kill would have bitten you."- Dr Michael Fox
"Don't breed dogs, don't buy, don't even accept giveaways"- HSUS CEO John Hoyt
"We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding. ...One generation and out. We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding"- HSUS VP Wayne Pacelle.
Finally, we must deal with this:
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">To quote so many vegs before me: "How can you love an animal called a pet and eat an animal called dinner?" The point is, there's no such thing as a meat-eating environmentalist or meat-eating animal-lover...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The "how can you" is a type of pseudoreasoning known as begging the question. Taking the flawed logic one step sideways, you could easily ponder the question, "how can you love an animal and keep it confined in an unnatural state?"
As for the "there's no such thing" statement, that is so patently false that I won't bother addressing it further.
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09-27-2002, 12:43 AM
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Rather than argue with you guys about this point, which is like arguing about religion--it never gets anywhere--I'll just say this: why do people always have to attack others on forums like this? Not to act like a victim, but it's not like I was attacking any of you in the first place--just the people that think killing animals for fun is a good idea. And of all people, why does it always the skinny, soft-spoken vegetarian that you know would just sigh rather than try to make enemies?
Okay, I have to touch on one issue: hunting ADDS to problems of overpopulation and illness. Hunters generally go for the big, beautiful buck with the nice antlers that would make a great trophy to put over the fireplace, leaving the weaker animals to pass on their bad genes or even inbreed. As breeders, you'd think you guys would know this. Big, strong parents = big, strong offspring. Weak, starving parents with brittle bones = weak, starving offspring with brittle bones. Trust me, I know, this area has a lot off deer and in fact there's a small island right off the coast that's filled to the brim with sick, deformed, inbred deer that are all starving to death--a problem that started when the area was heavily hunted, and has only increased since. Now if hunters went for those crappy-looking mangy deer....yeah right. Those permits cost way too much, and everyone wants a trophy.
Please, seriously, research the issue...There is a reason why so many people are vegetarian. The health problems, environmental damage, famine, etc. that we always talk about really are linked to meat consumption, so before attacking me and taking cheap shots related to tofu, just look it up.
**peace n' love and whatever bull####...**
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09-27-2002, 12:49 AM
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And to clarify, I never said that I side with the HSUS, nor did I even suggest that I agree with every little thing--or much of anything--they've ever said.
That "how can you..." thing is a quote. You can't change around someone's word use and then quote them. (It doesn't work that way.)
Oh yeah, and that "I'm going to go eat a steak now" bit... Real original. How 'bout this quote, by none other than Dr. Evil. "Riiiiiiiight..."
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