Okay,
I re-read this a few times to try to put it together.
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Originally Posted by Bearded Ambitions
I have only bred a trans to a trans 1 time before..
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Really?!?! So what was the outcome? please elaborate.
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Originally Posted by Bearded Ambitions
I bred a het hypo trans from Phantom dragons with a Trans from Bloodbank and i only had 1 babie live out of 28 eggs...
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Well you bred two animals from pretty much the same guy. steven breeds and re-sells from josh's stock. So i doubt it was the trans gene the caused the problem. I dont think it was a inbreeding problem either. Not if you lost all but one. Maybe a incubation problem.
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Originally Posted by Bearded Ambitions
The babies that died were all trans to some degree even 1-2 were so amazingly clear i was so excited only to have them die...
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The ones that were real clear probly would have been the ones to remain clear.(Translucents) the others probly would have faded to normals within two and a weeks.
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Originally Posted by Bearded Ambitions
This to me is not Proof that is cannot be done...
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Matt, its not that it cannot be done, it should NOT be done. Lets look at this.
Why do you inbreed dragons? To find out if there genetic traits are recessive or
co-dom. In a case of the
Recessivegene you have to inbreed to see if it comes out to reproduce the same or if there is a
super form. (example of "
super form" would be a
co-dom trait) ( a example of a
co-dom trait would be leatherbacks. and there
"super" form is Silkbacks.
SO, it has been proven that the trans gene is recessive. And by breeders who have breed them, can tell you that the trans gene is NOT a strong gene. Translucents are NOT hypos. Hypos have been outcrossed enough to where there isnt a genetic problem with them. even if you cross hypo to hypo. This is not the same way with translucents. Even though the translucent gene has been crossed out quite a few times over, there is STILL a genetic problem with this gene. And to be honest, I think it may take twice as long to boost the translucent gene then what the hypo gene took. I was not around for the hypos being crossed out to make them a healthy cross. BUT I doubt its as bad as the trans gene. The translucents ARE getting better, but It's still going to take time.
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Originally Posted by Bearded Ambitions
This to me is not Proof that is cannot be done....
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This statement is what separates you from the breeders. inexperiences, and that kind of ignorance to your hobby, makes others frown upon what we try to do. There is no need to do this unless your trying to prove something out. An it has already been done. So, why do it? Instead of trying to help a weak gene, you only make it worse. I been breeding the trans gene for two almost three years. I HAVE NOT ONCE crossed a Translucent to Translucent. nor a hypo trans to hypo trans. I know what happens when you breed a weak line (translucent)to a strong line (not translucent) And some of the babies that hatched only brought me sadness and almost to tears thinking what a waste.
I do NOT even want to think of a trans to trans!
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Originally Posted by Bearded Ambitions
After i had that prob i sold both of my tranz and have been hard debating ither trying again or getting a het tranz as i have a male het tranz so it would be cool to produce some from hets to see if healthier.
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You sold them because you ruined it for yourself. Thats what happened. I have seen some of the most beautiful dragons have the trans gene visible. And its a beautiful morph, But its not to be tampered with.
Heads up Matt, you can have less, the same amount, or more problems with even "het translucent". It depends if that particular trans has issues with its genetic trait. I.E. some trans produce beautiful healthy dragons and some trans have 30-40% problems in there bloodline and it shows when its reproduced. If you have a het trans from a weak line. it will show in its babies. if you have a trans from a healthy line it will also show in the babies.
Matt,
dont take the previous to heart. You know how i feel about you. But the trans gene is not strong enough to cross. so why cross it? do you want to see the weak unhealthy dragons? do you want to see some of the complications from this pairing? Putting a baby dragon in the freezer after it hatches is not what i like doing. Or hear about others doing! Your not doing it for research, or going to learn something someone else doesnt know from the pairing. So why do it?