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Originally Posted by rodneynboalich
How usarks lawsuit is set trying to save interstate transportation it will.if usark wins basically undo all Fws listing prior to the lawsuit being won in terms of Fws authority to prohibite interstate transportation. ..I doubt a judge will want to do that....As for the other issues. ..usark in its earlier fight with the ban was based around lobbying to stop the bill with no actual fight or preparation for a fight.... As for proof of thinks like wyatt wasteful spending you simply have.to look at usarks d financial statements. ...As for wyatts lying you just have to look at something like wyatts nonsense about PA bills that were amendments to titles that reptiles aren't covered under... and taking donations to fight them under the guise that the could affect reptiles... this kind of stuff happened throughout wyatts reign...and when the usark board was told and confronted the ignored it every time.......the second hr511 hearing wyatt set up and told everyone it was a serious threat....it was a way for him to ask for donations and seem victorious...when he was simple putting out a fire he start....and usarks board stood by and did nothing. .....Usarks way for so called fighting is what gave Fws the perfect opportunity to go the executive order rout which they can do under executive order 13112 which was signed into law in 1999.......the thing is I won't make any sense to you if 1 you don't know usarks history. .2 you don't understand how legislation works..3 or understand the implications and ramifications of fighting bills in bans in a passive aggressive manner which intentions don't extend pass simply block legislation from passing. ..instead of attack the legitimacy of the bills themselves. ...without doing that usark has ended up in the situation they're in.... because usark has never really attacked the science of Fws and focused on interpretation of 18 42 and 43 and the limitations of enforcement now usark has to get a judge to basically undo the lacey act...which the entire government will fight to protect. .....
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Originally Posted by rodneynboalich
How usarks lawsuit is set trying to save interstate transportation it will.if usark wins basically undo all Fws listing prior to the lawsuit being won in terms of Fws authority to prohibite interstate transportation. ..I doubt a judge will want to do that....
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You don't have proof they will do that. You don't offer a different opinion on it. How would you fight the rules?
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Originally Posted by rodneynboalich
As for the other issues. ..usark in its earlier fight with the ban was based around lobbying to stop the bill with no actual fight or preparation for a fight.... As for proof of thinks like wyatt wasteful spending you simply have.to look at usarks d financial statements.
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When you don't have a defendant and you want to save millions of dollars, you lobby. Lobbying can cost thousands of dollars. Lawsuits will cost millions. He seems to have tried to pick the low laying fruit first. When that did not work, he went higher up the tree.
I did look at the financial statement. I can not see anything that come be considered wasteful. Remember people give money to USARK for them to try to change laws. They are trying.
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Originally Posted by rodneynboalich
.As for wyatts lying you just have to look at something like wyatts nonsense about PA bills that were amendments to titles that reptiles aren't covered under... and taking donations to fight them under the guise that the could affect reptiles... this kind of stuff happened throughout wyatts reign...and when the usark board was told and confronted the ignored it every time
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I looked into the PA bills, there is not many. Both of them seemed to have failed after USARK said they where bad bills. There where bad bills. I don't see one place where USARK lied. Care to quote or link to the lies?
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Originally Posted by rodneynboalich
the second hr511 hearing wyatt set up and told everyone it was a serious threat....it was a way for him to ask for donations and seem victorious...when he was simple putting out a fire he start....and usarks board stood by and did nothing. .....
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It was a bad bill. Every bill could pass. The only way for lawmakers to know what the people want is lobbying. USARK lobbied against the bill, it failed. Mission accomplished. Do you think that if someone should win the fight they don't deserve money for trying?
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Originally Posted by rodneynboalich
Usarks way for so called fighting is what gave Fws the perfect opportunity to go the executive order rout which they can do under executive order 13112 which was signed into law in 1999.......the thing is I won't make any sense to you if 1 you don't know usarks history.
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You can not sue over an executive order. Sorry. Just not the way the world works. You have to find the defendant that was harmed by the order. You have to get it time to effect person. Sorry. Just the way the system works. USARK, you, or me could not do a thing until they use the order to make a law that harmed someone.
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Originally Posted by rodneynboalich
2 you don't understand how legislation works..
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You are insulting me. The quickest way to tell if someone does not have a good argument is they insult. I completely understand how the legal system and legislation works. If you want to have a conversation about this you will stop insulting.
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Originally Posted by rodneynboalich
.3 or understand the implications and ramifications of fighting bills in bans in a passive aggressive manner which intentions don't extend pass simply block legislation from passing.
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Two things. You are not telling the truth.
1.) The NRA (one of the greatest lobbying groups in the world) spends most of its time and money blocking legislation. They are passive aggressive and openly aggressive. Blocking a bill from passing cost thousands of dollars. Suing to over turn laws cost millions.
2.) They are actually suing the government. So the above statement is a complete lie. If you point out specficiely where USARK lied, I will call them a liar too. But I will not let you lie because you think they do.
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Originally Posted by rodneynboalich
instead of attack the legitimacy of the bills themselves. ...without doing that usark has ended up in the situation they're in.... because usark has never really attacked the science of Fws and focused on interpretation of 18 42 and 43 and the limitations of enforcement now usark has to get a judge to basically undo the lacey act...which the entire government will fight to protect. .
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You are really confused right here. Laws are not about right or wrong, good or bad. Laws are about legal and illegal.
Here again, you are lying. USARK is suing if the government has the right to enforce a law created for international importation to interstate transportation. The legitimacy of the bill is what they are suing over. If the bill is legal or illegal.
Laws and courts could careless about what is right or wrong, good or bad science. Most laws get past because someone feels that it could effect someone maybe.
When you go to court you have to prove three things.
1.) The actions of the defendant was illegal. USARK is arguing you can not ban interstate transport with a bill that only regulates international importation.
2.) The actions of the defendant harmed someone in the united states. USARK has several people claiming they lost their pets or clients because of the rule change.
3.) The actions of the defendant does not serve the public good. USARK is arguing that the constrictor rule fixes a non issue.
If you don't have those three things, you can not win. USARK has those three things. They are arguing about the legality of the, because the courts only care if the rule is legal or illegal.
I have no idea what USARK has done to you. But they are not scamming anyone.
If you have proof of this, please post it.