Roy (lena_whttkr@yahoo.com)---- Bad buyer (Beware)

Just to clarify my thoughts a little more....I, personally, would not feel responsible to pay for his gas or time or vet bills. HE made the choice to take the risk on a "too good to be true" deal and drive out to your place to buy the lizard. He took your word on its health before making the drive...but he also examined the animal himself and decided at that time that it was worth buying. If the animals problems could not be detected by someone who supposedly knows more about them than you do...then how could he expect you to have recognized them before the sale?

$30 is not such a large sum of money that it is worth risking your repuation or your personal security over. Offer the man back the money he paid for the animal and hope that he decides that a "free" frilled lizard was worth the drive and vet bills. Usually when someone is willing to meet someone partway in a dispute like this, it is enough.

What a total moron !! You know, theres one "or a few !! " in every crowd . I do not feel your responsible to give him back anything . Regardless of how you kept the animal , regardless of your knowledge of lizards ,regardless of anything. He himself , nobody else , came and looked at the lizard. He made the choice at that moment to take on the responsibility . You gave no warranty , and implied none. I feel you were also upfront with him .
I've sold some things on ebay that I considered a flat out STEAL !! And every once in awhile someone will still complain ! Some people are just miserable sob's ! And nothing you do can make them happy .I would make a last effort and offer a half refund and let him keep the lizard. Only option period , if he doesn't like it ? Tough ! You don't owe him nothing ..

Jerry,

She rescued an animal that she kept for two years and placed it up for adoption. In the two years she's had this animal she didn't even know enough about the animal to question the new owner what he knew about it. It was passed off for a quick $30 bucks and to make space for things she was more interested in.

If he can produce a vet report that supports his claim of MBD then he deserves a refund of $30. And if it so happens that he can produce a vet report then he essentially rescued a rescue animal from a rescuer and is completely deserving of the $30.

If you cant see that you're blind.

And...."regardless of she kept the animal" "regardless of anything" ??? Are you a shmuck? You rescue an animal and its your obligation to house the animal appropriately. Its why your charging an adoption fee in the first place.

You took care of it under the guidance of care sheets for a couple of years and it had "the worst case of MBD the "specialist" had ever seen"? I would make him prove it. He might be trying to scam you. You shouldn't worry about anything at this point but the health of the animal.

Bryan

I am an importer/breeder, but that has been to build up my collection. So far all I have bred are a few snakes, but this past year I searched high and low for new animals to import because they have been nearly impossible to find in the states. I ended up settling on some specimens from Africa, Brazil, and Asia. Never once did I say I was importing to sell. Sometimes I get something I decide I dont want and end up selling it, but I have never made enough to call it any form of business. Yes I am hoping to start breedig more heavily and turn this hobby into a business, but up until now it is far from that.

In terms of the words I used like "adoption fee" and "rescue" I do not feel this labels me as an animal shelter in any way shape or form!

To everyone who said I should just send him the money back and let him keep the animal, I took that into account today and offered exactly that, but he has not responded. I will update if he does or not.

I would just like to reiterate that I was completely upfront with this guy every time we spoke. I never once lied or left anything unanswered. I was always honest and straight up and made it clear MANY times that I knew very little about lizards and that I bred and kept only snakes.

The point of this post was to get information on what the reptile community felt should be done in a situation like this and to warn others in case Roy ever contacts anyone wanting to purchase an animal. I have kept snakes for years, but only recently started dealing with other breeders. I am learning what I can to hopefully make this into a succesful business. I appreciate each and every response and hope that what is left on this thread will help many as much as it is helping me.

Thanks

P.S. Roy cannot produce a vet report.

I questioned Roy to the extent I knew about the animal. Like I said on the initial post: "I turned down many people before Roy because they didnt even know what a frilled dragon was" I asked Roy the little I knew about Frillies and since he answered all the questions and claimed to have had Frillies before I felt he was fitting to keep the animal. The animal was not passed for a quick $30. To be honest when I can spend $7000 on snakes I think $30 is the least of my worries!

Originally Posted by CDAreptiles

P.S. Roy cannot produce a vet report.

Did you email Roy with a link to this thread you started so as to allow us to here his side of the story?

If he cant produce a report I'd like to hear that directly from him.

Like I said Roy has ceased all contact. Wont reply to emails or answer phone calls. If he has the link or not I dont know. He wont asnwer!

Originally Posted by CDAreptiles

I questioned Roy to the extent I knew about the animal. Like I said on the initial post: "I turned down many people before Roy because they didnt even know what a frilled dragon was" I asked Roy the little I knew about Frillies and since he answered all the questions and claimed to have had Frillies before I felt he was fitting to keep the animal. The animal was not passed for a quick $30. To be honest when I can spend $7000 on snakes I think $30 is the least of my worries!

If $30 was the least of your worries why did you argue with him about refunding anything?

You say you questioned Roy to the extent you knew about the animal. But you realize you also said this in your initial thread starter: "Give me a lizard and I know nothing. I am not at all afraid to admit that."

The guy took your word for it that the animal was healthy and you do freely admit you know nothing about lizards. Could he be the sort of guy who is simply shy and non confrontational and paid you the money just to get the animal out of your home and hands? Its possible. Just because you got here first and claim he cant produce a vet report doesn't mean its not true and you're right.

Since I moved down to Florida do you know how many "reptile & bird rescue" folks I've met. Its almost laughable. You can move down here with no collection and have enough to stock a store in a week.

Ahhh anyway I'm just being a pain in the ass so don't mind me. Good luck with your rescue work.