LnL reptile AKA Pacific Coast Reptiles

My name is JC Gutierrez.I GOT RIPPED OFF, by Lloyd from LnL Reptiles AKA Pacific Coast Reptiles.
Last month I sold him a water monitor for 1400.00 spam_We did the deal through paypal. I recieved notifaction from paypal that a payment for 1400.00 was spam_made to my account. I then shipped him the monitor. After shipping out the monitor I got an email form paypal that the payment had to clear. Lloyd paid me with an echeck. So I had to wait 5 days before payment cleared. On the 8th day I got an email from paypal. They informed me that the echeck didn't have the funds in it to clear and that "it" was canceled.
I then tried to call Lloyd to figure something out. He didn't answer the phone or return any of my emails. He posted on KINGSNAKE that he wouldn't be answering any emails or phone calls till the 10th of July. After emailing him and letting him know that I would come here and post, he replied and said the he put a 1400.00 check in the mail. That was on the 3rd of July.
This week I have been emailing him to let him know that I haven't recieved his check. Today I got an email from him telling me that if I don't get the check by tomorrow, to call him so he could send me spam_a sieres of postdated checks. So I called his shop and his partner (wife) Lisa (the other L) answered. She then tells me that I need to speak with Lloyd,That she isn't involved.
Lloyd emails me and tells me that if I want to sue him that I can. That he will pay me when I see him in court, 3 months from now.
Not only did he get my monitor but he sold it. All profit.
Please don't do what I have done. spam_<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> spam_
Again , my name is JC Gutierrez and I got ripped off by Lloyd from LnL reptiles, AKA Pacific Coast Reptiles

JC,
You'll cost him more then the $140.00 for posting on here. What a scumbag he is.Word travels fast so he''ll learn he didn't really get away with it scott free. Also thats why I don't accept paypal as method of payment as your not the first time I've heard of payment not going through after is was "supposedly cleared" Sorry you got ripped off but thanks for letting us know so we aren't next.
Chris Pearson

What an arrogant S.O.B! "see you in court" He is hoping that you will go away. Stay on him and do not let him get away with this, he will just keep doing it. $1400.00 is a lot of money. Keep us posted.

let me just say this. no reason to blame paypals and or hate them. an echeck is just what it says..a check. for anyone that doesnt know what a check is..its a device that has to clear..like any other check.
if you understood how the system worked you would have avoided all this hassle..and or if the buyer was a decent person.
anyone reading this should know..echecks are not funds into your account until they clear the bank! period. dont ship animals until the loot is yours.

Sorry to hear that you got ripped off, JC. You did the right thing posting your story here. I'm curious though. Do you still have the e-mails from him? If so, post them here. As further proof of your claim and his shadiness. Good luck in getting reparations from him. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

I had an experience with PayPal the other day, that I've never encountered before...I sold an animal to someone who paid me via PayPal....I got the "You've got Cash" from PayPal, so the next day, I shipped out the animal....the day after I shipped out, I got an email from PayPal telling me that the transaction was "reversed and cancelled"! It turns out that the person mistakenly used a credit card that was "maxed out"! I didn't think that PayPal would even approve a maxed out credit card, but, I guess they will...
Luckily, the person I dealt with, is honest, and emailed me to tell me the problem, and we're in the process of getting it straightened out now....
But, an e-check (as was said before) is just a check that hasn't cleared yet....PayPal will let you know when it does clear, and then you can ship....Neil

yikes didnt know about the credit card problem.
i guess its always good to check where the funds are coming from when using paypals..and add another day or two for clearing credit card payments..
we probably need a thread on paypals to alert sellers about how to work with them and be prepared to avoid the hassles mentioned on this thread alone along with whatever else can go wrong.

I e-mailed LnL and told them &nbsp;they need to respond to this. He (Lloyd) did not know about this site, and I directed him to it. He read the post and said he will register and respond soon.

HI GUYS
NOT SURE IF EVERYONE KNEW BUT E-BAY BOUGHT PAYPAL.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THEY WILL BE TRYING NEW
AVENUES (TO CUT COST OF COARSE) ONE OF WHICH COULD
BE CREDIT CARD APPROVAL SPEED OR SOMETHING. EBAY BOUGHT "BILL-POINT" BACK IN 1999 AND HAS ALREADY SAID THAT IT IS GOING TO "PHASE OUT" BILLPOINT SINCE THEY
ARE AQUIRING PAYPAL (FOR 1.5 BILLION).

GOD BLESS!!
BEN SPARKS
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HI MY NAME IS LLOYD I OWN LLREPTILES AND I SEE THERES A POST ABOUT ME HERE.AND J C ONLY TOLD HALF THE STORY
YES I RECEIVED A WATER MONITOR FROM HIM FOR 1400.00 AND I SENT HIM PAYPAL BUT ON THE PAYPAL I PUT FOR PAYMENT USE CREDIT CARD ON FILE.SINCE HE WAS NOT A VERAFIED USER FOR PAYPAL THEY PUT A SEVEN DAY HOLD ON THE TRANSACTION.IN THE SEVEN DAYS MY WIFES WALLET WAS STOLEN FROM MY SHOP.SAN BERNARDINO POLICE DEPARTMENT CASE#02-254-54 IF ANY ONE WOULD LIKE TO CHECK IT OUT.SO WHEN PAYPAL RAN THE CARD I HAD ALREADY REPORTED THE CARD STOLEN SO IT CAME BACK NO GOOD.THEN PAYPAL SENT A E CHECK TO MY BANK I DID'T HAVE 1400.00 IN MY PERSONAL ACCOUNT SO YES IT WAS RETURNED TO HIM.I TALKED TO J C ON THE PHONE AND TOLD HIM WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND THAT I WAS SORRY.BUT I HAVE TO WAIT FOR MY CREDIT CARD COPANY TO SEND ME A NEW CARD WITH A NEW ACCOUNT NUMBER ON IT WHICH TAKES 7 TO 14 WORKING DAYS AND IF HE KNEW SOMEONE WITH A CREDIT CARD MACHINE I COULD GIVE HIM THE NUMBER HE TOLD ME HE DID'T KNOW ANYONE JUST TO SEND HIM A CHECK AND IF I DID'T HAVE IT ALL WE COULD WORK SOMETHING OUT.SO I WENT ONLINE WHEN I RECEIVED MY NEW CARD AND SENT HIM A CHECK VIA CITI BANK ON JULY 3 SINCE NO ONE WORKS ON JULY 4 THE ORDER DID'T GET PROCESSED INTELL THE 5TH AND WE ALL KNOW CREDIT CARD COMPANYS DON'T SEND MONEY ON THE WEEKENDS AND THEY TAKE THERE TIME DOING THINGS. ON THURSDAY HIM AND IS WIFE CALL MY WIFE UP YELLING AT HER AFTER HE JUST SENT ME AN E MAIL SAYING JUST CALL THE BANK AND SEE WHATS TAKING SO LONG.MY WIFE TOLD HIM WHEN I GET BACK INTO THE SHOP TUESDAY I WILL SEND HIM HIS MONEY OUT OF OUR ACCOUNT.HE SAID IT WASEN'T GOOD ENOUGH AND HE WAS GOING TO TAKE US TO COURT.I E MAILED HIM AND TOLD HIM HE COULD WAIT FOR ME TOGET BACK AND I'LL SEND HIM THE MONEY OR HE CAN TAKE ME TO COURT AND I'LL GIVE HIM THE MONEY IN FRONT OF THE JUDGE.I HAVE A LONG LIST OF POEPLE I COULD HAVE REPLY TO THIS POST THAT HAS RECEIVED MONEY FROM ME VIA PAYPAL AND MONEY ORDER.THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE TIMES THAT TIMING WAS NOT RIGHT. AND I'M SORRY IF J C FEELS I RIPPED HIM OFF. I TOLD HIM I WOULD SEND HIM THE MONITOR BACK TO HIM AND PAY HIM HIS MONEY BACK FOR THE SHIPPING COST HE'S OUT.JUST TO LET EVERY ONE KNOW J C WILL GET HIS MONEY FROM ME OR THE MONITOR BACK.
THANK YOU
LLOYD
P.S. &nbsp;J C PUT AKA PACIFIC COAST REPTILES I DO NOT OWN THAT COMPANY.