Manny Frade of Prefect Predators

Manny this isn't about a misunderstanding anymore. This is about your blatant lies and we would like for you to actually man up and set your lies straight.

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Manny this isn't about a misunderstanding anymore. This is about your blatant lies and we would like for you to actually man up and set your lies straight.

Anyone else getting the feeling that his "apology" amounts to little more than him having been coached (assuming he physically wrote it himself, which I kind of doubt) into taking a disingenuous and self-serving step towards simple damage control? It definitely seems that way to me, especially since there's a very noticeable absence of him acknowledging having done anything wrong, other than vague references to what he calls "unprofessional behavior".

I have to wonder exactly what that term means to him. Is outright dishonesty, misrepresentation, pettiness and vindictiveness so easily lumped into the category of "unprofessional behavior"? Or is he still in denial of certain facets of the situation? Maybe it's just me, but I think that apology rings pretty hollow.

I know he said that:

No more finger pointing or commentary will be posted from me regarding this issue in the future.

Despite this, it seems like the question I asked in my previous post may have been worth addressing.

I highly doubt he will make anymore appearances here. I think it took a lot for him to come here and say that whether it was him or his pr manager lol I feel like it was more for the people in the boi, and the reptile community then directly towards me. But its over so Im happy.

This is what he told me when I addressed that very question question.



11:53pm




Jendee Campbell






In the case that she has ovulated im still owed 1.1 btw i know you said he hasnt been breeding but i am keeping up with your convo in your group

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12:00am




Manny Frade






Lol. Nope. She has not ovulated. Her next 6-12 weeks will determine a the father of the litter your male is out a salmon male is in so there's no confusion.

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12:05am




Jendee Campbell






K just checking...it sounds otherwise from what u posted in your group that ive been putting in the boi

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12:10am




Manny Frade






A swell means she's ready. You should know that. This is the window to get to her, there's a salmon in there no question who is the father if a good litter happens.

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12:21am




Jendee Campbell






I also know of there was any copulation at all he could still very much father that litter hes been with her since november

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12:24am




Manny Frade






I highly doubt there was any but to end all doubts I'm 99% sure salmon is super so there shouldn't be any norms. If there is I will be able to tell if they're his or your animals as het squarerail are distinct

Originally Posted by AlexBurgos

Well I typed this just now and as I was about to post it I saw Manny posted an apology, but I needed to post it because it was addressing TommyHil:

Thomas Cobb, I read your first post just now and after that I stopped reading. Reason being I recognized your name from facebook and like Jose (ilamacoatl), who also came in here and posted volumes of good points I believe support Manny, you also have purchased animals from Manny and have obviously been very pleased with his animals and his service. I stated earlier today that there are a many people who have had great exchanges and are happy with Manny's animals. I totally get that....

I only want to tell you something... If you wanna know my version about your statement of my buys and trades from Manny please PM me. You have no idea of what you say on this, you are asuming a lot about what you see but is not the way it looks. I really don't spend a lot like you believe and not in one.

That's why trades by 2 people stand on private...

Originally Posted by Bobby Douglass

Jose, how did you come to this conclusion? I read it and couldn't tell exactly what the agreement was.

Pelease reread all the comments before that.

José Luis

Originally Posted by ilamacoatl

Pelease reread all the comments before that.

José Luis

I did but my reading comprehension isn't that good. Could you help me out and quote the part that shows it?

Originally Posted by Bobby Douglass

I did but my reading comprehension isn't that good. Could you help me out and quote the part that shows it?

Seriously??? Then read again....

Originally Posted by ilamacoatl

Seriously??? Then read again....

You're letting your relationship with Manny cloud your judgement. I don't think either party was clear at all on what the arrangement was. Since you can't show me different I'm going to assume you're just blindly sticking up for Manny.

Originally Posted by ilamacoatl

I only want to tell you something... If you wanna know my version about your statement of my buys and trades from Manny please PM me. You have no idea of what you say on this, you are asuming a lot about what you see but is not the way it looks. I really don't spend a lot like you believe and not in one.

That's why trades by 2 people stand on private...

Well, when it could easily appear that past purchases are the sole determining factor for why any given party chooses to support another, some people may feel that that information is very relevant. It seems that the simple act of purchasing from manny has an uncanny polarizing affect, when it comes to their capacity to objectively gauge his character.

As such, some may find it noteworthy that, as of 5/8/2102, you had made at least one purchase and had a payment plan going for two more animals. Since your cultural sensibilities didn't seem to deter him from publicly posting about your purchases on another site, I don't think I'm doing anything wrong by simply reiterating your own post here.

It just seems that those who've had good experience with manny completely lack the ability to see that there's clearly another side to that coin. Some may choose to see this as a witch hunt, where only his negative aspects are being focused on. However, as many around here often say, it's how the bumps in the road are handled that say the most about a given person/business. When his BG threads are viewed in that context, I think they say some extremely unflattering things about him. Things which simply don't go away after posting a simple PR statement of an apology.

Also, I noticed the Mr. Ortiz isn't using his full name when he posts.

Originally Posted by ApexPredatorBoids

Well, when it could easily appear that past purchases are the sole determining factor for why any given party chooses to support another, some people may feel that that information is very relevant. It seems that the simple act of purchasing from manny has an uncanny polarizing affect, when it comes to their capacity to objectively gauge his character.

As such, some may find it noteworthy that, as of 5/8/2102, you had made at least one purchase and had a payment plan going for two more animals. Since your cultural sensibilities didn't seem to deter him from publicly posting about your purchases on another site, I don't think I'm doing anything wrong by simply reiterating your own post here.

It just seems that those who've had good experience with manny completely lack the ability to see that there's clearly another side to that coin. Some may choose to see this as a witch hunt, where only his negative aspects are being focused on. However, as many around here often say, it's how the bumps in the road are handled that say the most about a given person/business. When his BG threads are viewed in that context, I think they say some extremely unflattering things about him. Things which simply don't go away after posting a simple PR statement of an apology.

Also, I noticed the Mr. Ortiz isn't using his full name when he posts.

I have to say, I started feeling a lot less sympathetic towards him when I was reading his posts on Facebook. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, and Manny genuinely didn't seem like a bad guy. But he cuts a lot of corners, and has taken advantage of and lied to Jendee.

I wouldn't put him in the same category as outright scammers and thieves, but his business ethics are not what I consider to be good guy material. He's more interested in making a profit than in being honest, and the only reason he apologized here is because other people kept pressuring him to do so as a form of damage control.

I have no doubt that most of his high dollar customers are satisfied, but a good guy doesn't adjust his ethics based on how much the buyer is spending. That's just bad business.

Originally Posted by meowmeowkazoo

the only reason he apologized here is because other people kept pressuring him to do so as a form of damage control.

Sort of the Lance Armstrong of the reptile world.