I wonder who could be behind this?

There has been wide spread accusations and rumors regarding the legality of the importation of this species, none of which is factual. A US Fish and Wildlife Special Agent re examined all documents. This morning he again declared that everything was perfectly legal with the importation of this species. This is why I have not answered this post till now. The internet is a lawless place where anyone can say anything about anybody and get away with it, see below what Joe & I have been dealing with for weeks now.

I will be moving forward now that this is cleared up and looking for interested parties who wish to obtain specimens.

Cheers!
Al

From: Rick Milden [mailto:enthralled7@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 2:35 PM
To:
Cc:
Subject: alert, illegeal ethiopian vipers offered to AZA zoos & pvt colctrs



to all AZA zoo reptile curators, venomous breeders, dealers & collectors


urgent warning urgent warning urgent warning

Alert . be aware of possible serious legal problems with the recently offered Ethiopian Mountain Vipers Bitis parviocula.




These reptiles have been featured on the kingsnake.com venomous forum and on You Tube videos ( see links at bottom of this post ) and have been offered for sale to AZA zoos and private reptile collectors for prices up to $ 6000. a pair for wild caught adults.

These possibly illegeal reptiles are being offered by Al Coritz of PA { and perhaps others? } doing business as Deadly Beautiful.com - phone # 215-740-8614


There is credible evidence that these wild caught adult Ethiopian Mountain Vipers Bitis parviocula imported into the USA in Jan and/or Feb of 2008 were illegally exported from Ethiopia and thus illegally entered into the USA in violation of the Lacey Act, Customs regulations and possible international currency regulations.

With a preliminary request to a Federal wildlife law enforcement officer at the USF&W division of wildlife law enforcement to conduct a formal Freedom of Information (FOIA) search of all Bitis importations into the USA from 1 Jan 08 to 15 Feb 08 by scrutinizing 3-177 import declarations, our preliminary findings indicate that there were NO importations into the USA listing any Bitis parviocula on any submitted 3-177 forms for that time period. Also there were no importations for the entire year of 2007 or even 2006. In short NO importations at all ever declared for Bitis parviocula legally and properly entered into the USA by the required 3-177 forms showed up in any search tried.



BUT there was an importation from Sisay's business on 6 Feb 08 for 'Puff Adders' entered into the port of Miami. There is also a second and very unusual importation declared as 'Bitis genus' that arrived in the USA on 14 January. We are currently looking into these curious imports and will let you know further details when we have hard copies of the 3-177 forms and all other relevant documents such as, EWCO export certificate, invoice, health certificate, air-waybill and customs clearance and duty paid information.

Preliminary evidence indicates that up to 21 wild caught adult specimens were illegally imported and that included at least 4 or 5 gravid females. One female already gave birth at Mr. Coritz facility on 20 March 08 to 21 young = 1 still born and 20 alive and well
All evidence seems to support the conclusion that these Bitis parviocula were illegally collected in violation of Ethiopian law (specifically EWCO) which expressly prohibits the commercial export of endemic wildlife. See the many references and discussions citied below to Ethiopian and USA wildlife regulations that apply; as well as many of the details and findings of our investigation into the very real possibility of these being illegal.
In short summary, Ethiopian Environmental law requires that all wildlife being exportd from Ethiopia meet the following minimum standards:


1/ the exporter must have a govt license
2/ there must be a health certificate
3/ there must be an invoice
4/ there must be an export perrmit

We would caution any institution or individual contemplating acquiring these Bitis parviocula to very carefully check their legal status with USF&W law enforcement.
We are still conducting an exhaustive and ongoing investigation into this importation and simply caution you to exercise extreme due diligence. It is better to be safe than sorry. If it proves to be true that these were illegally collected (which we are 99% certain at this point that they were) there could be serious legal repercussions arising from the numerous Lacey Act, Customs and smuggling violations that the international and interstate transfer and sale of these snakes could trigger.

We urge you to review the following material, see if you think there is a problem with these snakes and then contact any relevant authorities you may wish to. If you are seriously contemplating acquiring these snakes you need to CYA (cover your ass) and insist that the vendor make all documents and permits available.

Also, the Lacey Act requires zoos and professional reptile dealers to adhere to a very strict high standard of proof when acquiring wild caught recently imported foreign reptiles. see relevant text below for explicit details of the widespread and serious violations that can result from Lacey Act violations..this is very serious stuff nowdays

Just to give you an example outside of this case, but that makes the point is as follows: Crotalus willardi rattlesnakes are protected by Mexican wildlife conservation laws. They are not a CITES species, yet their improper importation into the USA in CONTRVENTION of the Mexican wildlife laws would trigger numerous Lacey Act and other possible violations. Same goes for the Bitis parviocula, they are strictly protected by Ethiopian wildlife and environmental laws ( check it out for yourself ) and

knowingly dealing in illegally acquired wildfire triggers the Lacey Act.

Lacey Act Amendments of 1981.170 This Act makes it unlawful to import,

export, transport, sell, receive, acquire, or purchase any fish or wildlife already taken,

possessed, transported, or sold in violation of state, federal, tribal, or foreign wildlife

laws or regulations. The Lacey Act also requires that all shipments of wildlife or

wildlife products be accurately marked or labeled on shipping containers; it is a

violation to transport wildlife and wildlife products under falsely marked containers.

The Lacey Act contains provisions that restrict the import or transport of species

deemed injurious or potentially injurious to human beings, agriculture, horticulture,

forestry, and fish and wildlife resources of the United States. The statute applies only

to wild mammals, birds, fish, amphibians, reptiles, mollusks, and crustaceans. It does

not apply, for example, to insects, plants, and fungi.171

Wildlife Crime Prosecution

The Department of Justice (DOJ) prosecutes individuals and organizations

charged with wildlife trafficking. The Environment and Natural Resources Division

(ENRD), within DOJ, is responsible for all environmental and natural resources related

litigation, including wildlife crimes, filed on behalf of or against the United

States in federal courts.115 Investigations initiated by law enforcement agents from

FWS, NOAA, and other agencies related to the illegal wildlife trade are referred to

ENRD for prosecution.



Wildlife traffickers face charges from traditional wildlife trafficking statutes

such as the Lacey Act and the Endangered Species Act, but also from other statutes

that prohibit money laundering, smuggling, and conspiracy.116 One of the primary

statutes for prosecuting wildlife traffickers is the Lacey Act and Lacey Act

Amendments of 1981, which prohibits the (1) import, export, transport, selling,

receiving, acquiring, or purchase of any fish or wildlife already taken, possessed,

transported, or sold (2) in violation of state, federal, American Indian tribal, or

foreign laws or regulations that are fish- or wildlife-related.117 Violation of foreign

laws with respect to only fish and wildlife (the Act does not include foreign plants)

can trigger Lacey Act offenses.



Under the Lacey Act, a defendant may be prosecuted

if they did not violate the law in question, but knowingly, or in the exercise of due

care, should know, about the illegal nature of the wildlife or wildlife products.



Wildlife traffickers can also be penalized under the Endangered Species Act of

1973 which makes it unlawful for any person, subject to the jurisdiction of the United

States, to import, export, offer, sell in interstate or foreign commerce, or to receive,

carry, transport, or ship in interstate or foreign commerce in the course of a

commercial activity, any endangered or threatened species. This law also implements

CITES into law, and prescribes penalties for violations of CITES. Violations under

the Endangered Species Act of 1973 can occur without the defendant knowing which

species are listed under this law and without intending to violate the law.118

Other laws not directly related to wildlife can be used to prosecute wildlife

traffickers. For example, wildlife traffickers can be prosecuted as smugglers under

Title 18 of the U.S. Code. Violations such as a concealing contraband (e.g., illegal

wildlife) upon import, or knowingly receiving, concealing, buying, or selling

contraband, or facilitating these actions, might be prosecuted under the smuggling

statutes.119





116 Because illegal wildlife traffickers are often caught before violating the Lacey Act,

conspiracy is a way to charge the wrongdoers for committing a crime. The crime of

conspiracy occurs when "two or more persons conspire" to violate the Lacey Act. The

conspiracy offense can act as further arsenal against wildlife violators. In fact, charging an

individual with conspiracy may be considered a graver offense than the contemplated crime

and can lead to harsher penalties.

117 Some address the categories labeled above for violating the Lacey Act as the two steps

necessary for prosecution. See Testimony of Eileen Sobeck, Deputy Assistant Attorney

General, Environment and Natural Resources Division, U.S. Department of Justice, in U.S.


to: Mr. Al Coritz ; d/b/a Deadly Beautiful.com
Re: Ethiopian Mountain Vipers Bitis parviocula



Mr. Price makes some serious claims in regards to your acquisition of these snakes in his post on the kingsnake.com venomous forum. Why have you not responded to his allegations? It seems that you see fit to respond to just about every other post and subject on the venomous forums.


Price must have triggered some kind of alarm in your consciousness because you found it necessary to forward the post by Price on the kingnsake venomous forum the day after it appeared on the forums by e-mail to Sisay in Ethiopia to alert him of it's contents?


Please review the following relevant material.



First: the following is the post to kingsnake.com venomous forum that triggered this investigation: quoted below verbatim..

Posted by: africansnakes at Fri Feb 29 10:49:37 2008 [ [


Beautifull animals indeed.


I just have a question and I am not making any allegations, im just curious and asking.

I have worked with Sisay Taye (Tropical Wildlife Exports, Addis Abeba, Ethiopia) who is the shipper of these animals for quite a while in the past.

I know for a fact that it is illegal to ship Bitis parviocula out of Ethiopia as they are an endemic species and its strictly illegal to export any endemic species of plant or animal from Ethiopia. No permits are issued for any endemics and certainly not for commercial export.

Sisay shipped parviocula to a friend of mine in Europe 4 years ago as Bitis arietans in order to get them past customs in Ethiopia. Now in Europe that is no offence as there is no lacey act there and these animals are not under Cites regulations.


My question is.. if Sisay shipped them on Sunday the 10th Feb. from Addis Abeba on Ethiopian Airways via Washington Dulles as Bitis arietans (which I was told is what he did) then is that not going to end up getting the owners in the US in trouble as they contravened the lacey act by importing illegally exported animals into the US ?

Or has he byy some miracle really managed to get a permit for 20 banned Bitis parviocula for commercial export ?

Best regards

Thomas Price



So, Mr. Coritz:


Mr. Price makes some serious claims in regards to your acquisition of these snakes, so I Goggled up some facts on the these snakes, Ethiopian wildlife laws, Sisay, the Lacey Act, USA wildlife law enforcement and Mr. Price and I have found some very interesting material as follows:


I did find where Mr. Price has been extensively i
nvolved with these snakes in the past in Ethiopia and that he was for many years a business associate with Sisay and he has traveled often to Ethiopia and is an expert in all reptile species from that area of Africa.. In the summer of 2005 Mr. Price was in Ethiopia and personally witnessed Sisay export to Germany 13 live Bit
is parviocula

the 13 parviocula snakes were exported from Ethiopia to Frankfurt, Germany -- shipped out on Ethiopian Airways illegally as Puff Adders on 21 Sept 05.
Sisay flew to Germany as soon as he shipped the snakes and attended the Hamm reptile show on 23 September. None of those parviocula ever came into the USA.


I was able to find some information on the alleged exporter from Ethiopia, Mr. Sisay. It seems that he is a major wildlife exporter from Ethiopia and has been for years. He has exported reptiles to Glades Herps on several occasions and was the source of the first parviocula Glades imported way back in 2002. And Sisay visited the Glades facility in Bushnell, Florida in the autumn of 2005, so he is not an unknown figure in respect to this species. Sisay exists and is a reptile dealer in Ethiopia, and has twice before illegally

exported parviocula




So it seems to be very likely that the information Mr. Prices asserts in his kingsnake.com post has a high degree of credibility and that this species is strictly protected as an endemic species in Ethiopia and their illegal importation into the USA as another species or without a proper permit would trigger a series of Lacey Act, Customs, currency, conspiracy and other violations. Please see below the references and links to the Ethiopian Laws as well as other relevant material.


I also noted that in some of the comments posted on the string of You Tube comments about your parviocula that you Mr. Coritz reply to a question saying that you had these snakes since January and that they were WC (= wild caught) in Ethiopia. Your verbatim quote from You Tube below:




'WC actually but maintained in captivity in their home country for months. The Guy is a pro, these arrived looking like this.'

and ......
'These guys were not really fresh out of the box, so to speak. They were maintained in captivity and cared for in Ethiopia before they were sent here at the beginning of January. We've kept them under wraps since then to allow them as a stress free adjustment as possible. One of the keys to keeping them successfully is keeping them cool and well hydrated.Temps gennerally not more than 75 degrees and a daily drenching with water


Furthermore, even if you managed to get export permits for this snake you would still be precluded from using them in a commercial fashion, like selling them to AZA Zoos and private collectors. And shipping them in interstate commerce would only add count after count of additional Lacey Act violations to the ones already accumulated by the conspiracy, shipping, hiding and financing of any improperly imported reptiles. The criminal sanctions for these violations are quite severe.


You may wish to check out the following relevant information regarding Ethiopian and USA wildlife laws that might apply.



UNEP-WCMC - Ethiopia


EU Wildlife Trade Regulation: Marine Ornamentals: Medicinal Plants: Reptile Skin Trade ... activities are part of a research project within the Ethiopian Wildlife ...


http://www.unep-wcmc.org/species/dat...s/ethiwolf.htm



Travel Advisories/Embassy of Ethiopia


But check first with EWCO (Ethiopian Wildlife Conservation Organization) because no ... prior personal possession and will be subject to strict CITES regulations.


Some of the most beautiful and interesting souvenirs offered for sale in Ethiopia are made from the furs, hides, shells, feathers, teeth and flesh of wild animals.
Although visitors can sometimes legally buy such souvenirs in Ethiopia, it may be illegal to take them out of the country.


Wildlife in Ethiopia is protected by the Forest and Wildlife conservation and Development proclamation No 192 of 1980 and other relevant legislation. These laws define categories of wild life and provides for their protection and in some cases utilization. These laws also provide for the administration by Ethiopia of its obligations under various international conventions and treaties for the protection of environment, notably CITES (Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild fauna and flora.)
A Certificate of possession or permit




Permits will not be issued for wild animals or wild plants or any part of such wildlife or anything made from such wildlife that is listed under Appendix 1.


But check first with EWCO (Ethiopian Wildlife Conservation Organization) because no permit is issued automatically for there are species that are endemic to Ethiopia which are not allowed for trade, though not listed under appendix 2.




There are exceptions to the restriction on Appendix 1 species. Articles made from such species that are bona-fide personal possessions not destined for trade can be moved into or out of Ethiopia. But proof of genuine prior ownership will be required. Something acquired outside your own country is treated as a prior personal possession and will be subject to strict CITES regulations. Bona-fide safari hunting trophies may also be exported. Specimens destined for scientific or educational purposes may also be move subject to certain conditions.


CITES/Ethiopia regulations also prohibit the taking of wild animals out of their natural environment and keeping them as pets.

For further information on any of these matters please contact:




The Ethiopian Wildlife conservation Organization


P.O.BOX 386, Addis Ababa


Telephone
251-1-115-15-14-77 and 251-1-115-15-15-07

Fax
251-115-51-41-90








Mr. Price asserts that these sakes were shipped into the USA on Sunday 10 Feb 08
to Dulles Airport via Ethiopian Airlines/ ET500/ Boeing 767 /1 Stop
leave; 10:15 PM, > Addis Ababa , ET (ADD)
arrive; 07:20 AM > Washington-Dulles , VA , US (IAD)


Ethiopian Airlines did have a flight to Dulles on 10 February (they have 5 flights a week) but that in no way proves your snakes were on that flight, right ?? Surely Mr. Price must be wrong: especially since you claim that you have had them since early January as per your posts on the RFUK snake forums; and, correct me if I am wrong, but Dulles is not a designated USDI port of entry for wildlife.


now if gets very interesting ...

With a preliminary request to a Federal wildlife law enforcement officer at the USF&W division of wildlife law enforcement to conduct a formal FOIA search of all Bitis importations into the USA from 1 Jan 08 to 15 Feb 08 by scrutinizing 3-177 import declarations, our preliminary findings indicate that there were NO importations into the USA listing Bitis parviocula on any submitted 3-177 forms for that time period. Also there were no importations for the entire year of 2007 or even 2006. In short NO importations declared for Bitis parviocula legally and properly entered into the USA by the required 3-177 forms showed up in any search tried.



BUT there was an importation from Sisay's business on 6 Feb 08 for 'Puff Adders' entered into the port of Miami. There is also a second and very unusual importation declared as 'Bitis genus' that arrived in the USA on 16 January. We are currently looking into these curious imports and will let you know further details when we have hard copies of the 3-177 forms and all other relevant documents such as, EWCO export certificate, invoice, health certificate, air-waybill and customs clearance and duty paid information.

When I contacted the Ethiopian Airways cargo manager at Dulles Airport he helpfully suggested that I contact the Ethiopian Embassy in Washington, D.C. as they could surely expedite my search to an answer of this intriguing puzzle. I can use all the help I can get.


Embassy of Ethiopia 3506 International Dr. NW Washington, DC 20008

Tel (202)364-1200



info@ethiopianembassy.org




Government Ministries and Agencies



Ato Girma Biru - Minister of Trade & Industry

Dr. Mulatu Teshome - Minister of Agriculture

Ato Abay Tsehaye - Minister of Federal Affairs




I have also contacted Steven Spawls, a renown academic herpetologist -- co-author with Bill Branch of the Dangerous Snakes of Africa ã 1995; and an expert in African venomous snakes -- who is currently on the staff of the Natural History Museum, The University of Addis Ababa, Arat Kilo Campus, Ethiopia. He also is a member of the Ethiopian Wildlife & Natural History Society and serves on the African Reptile Specialist Group of the World Conservation Union. So he should be able to quickly point me to the proper sources of the true facts of the legal status of this snake in Ethiopia.
http://www.aau.edu.et/faculties/sc/departm...iologyright.htm


Address

ADDIS ABABA UNIVERSITY
FACULTY OF SCIENCE
DEPARTMENT OF BIOLOGY

USA WILDLIFE LAW ENFORCEMENT
Department of Interior, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Office of Law Enforcement
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February 15, 2007


Subject: Changes to USFWS Declaration Form 3-177 and eDecs
Background: The Service recently renewed the information collection approval for the USFWS Declaration for the Importation or Exportation of Fish or Wildlife (Form 3-177) through the Office of Management and Budget. As part of the renewal process, the Service made several changes to the form and updated the accompanying instructions. The substantive changes to the form include a requirement to indicate if live wildlife is venomous and the submission of additional business or individual identifier data.
Wildlife Inspection Offices
The address for each office listed below begins with:


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Our crime laboratory is very much like a 'typical' police lab, except the victim is an animal. We examine, identify, and compare evidence using a wide range of scientific procedures and instruments, in the attempt to link suspect, victim and crime scene with physical evidence.
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Note to Internet Wildlife Criminals: That 'Customer' Could Be a U.S. Fish And Wildlife Service Agent
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WASHINGTON - It's true, said U.S Fish and Wildlife Service Special Agent Ed Newcomer, that the internet has made wildlife crime easier, and easier to hide. But it's also made it easier for wildlife law enforcement agents to pose as potential customers -- and to catch people.
'What works for criminals also works for us,' said Newcomer. 'The internet provides anonymity for everyone, and when we go online, the people we?re after have no idea who we are.'
Wildlife crime is a huge growth industry, grown larger still by the internet. Most experts believe that the global illegal wildlife trade measures in the billions of dollars, annually. Profits in this illicit market are so huge that law enforcement officers routinely note that the black market in wildlife is now the second largest in the world, ranking only behind the trade in illegal drugs. (In the mid-1990s, an ounce of rhino horn sold in Yemen for about $1,687 per ounce, according to the World Wildlife Fund -- making it more valuable than gold, which has a current price of $667 per ounce).
Animals -- and that includes everything from insects to bizarre objects like footstools made from elephant feet -- have always had more patrons in the more developed Western countries. The nations that are most likely to have the most vigorous conservation movements also have citizens with the most disposable income. 'That's the engine that really drives this train,'; said Newcomer.
The drive that pushes people to buy such things as bird-eating spiders, giant African scorpions, poisonous snakes, macabre furniture and other ornaments made from animal parts is, said Newcomer, as simple as the desire to want something that nobody else has. The buyers are frequently people in upper income levels who simply seem to be taken by a novelty of the moment. The crime is compounded when the new owners of live exotic creatures become bored -- and decide to dump them in the wild. That has helped place Florida at the top of the list of states with invasive species. California, where Newcomer is based, has its share.
How much illegal wildlife is available on the internet? Newcomer said it's difficult to know; there is no authoritative, dependable research. But as someone who spends time chasing internet crime, he's confident the numbers run to the thousands.
Newcomer thrives on the challenge; he relishes telling the story about how he and his colleagues nabbed a man in Los Angeles not long ago who billed himself as 'the world's most wanted butterfly smuggler.' He sold Newcomer $14,000 worth of protected butterflies and would have sold him $300,000 worth, if Newcomer had had the cash. The smuggler is spending two years in a federal prison.
The agents' undercover work is as much a battle of wits as anything else; they must change their tactics often -- to fit the changing tactics of the people they are after.
Newcomer, who earned a law degree before deciding he wanted to be a wildlife agent, isn't discouraged. 'Everything I work for is incapable of dialing 9-1-1,' said Newcomer. 'Wildlife is resilient, but it's not inexhaustible. You worry about reaching the end of the line. I want every illegal wildlife dealer who is online to think about one thing: your next customer may be a Fish and Wildlife Service law enforcement agent.'
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is the principal Federal agency responsible for conserving, protecting and enhancing fish, wildlife and plants and their habitats for the continuing benefit of the American people. The Service manages the 97-million-acre National Wildlife Refuge System, which encompasses 548 national wildlife refuges, thousands of small wetlands and other special management areas. It also operates 69 national fish hatcheries, 64 fishery resources offices and 81 ecological services field stations. The agency enforces federal wildlife laws, administers the Endangered Species Act, manages migratory bird populations, restores nationally significant fisheries, conserves and restores wildlife habitat such as wetlands, and helps foreign and Native American tribal governments with conservation efforts. It also oversees the Federal Assistance program, which distributes hundreds of millions of dollars in excise taxes on fishing and hunting equipment to state fish and wildlife agencies.

COLLABORATING INSTITUTIONS

Ethiopian Wildlife Conservation Organization
Institute of Biodiversity Conservation and Research
Environmental Protection Authority
Offices of wildlife conservation areas (national parks and sanctuaries)
Regional bureaus of agriculture and natural resources development
Ethiopian Tourism Commission
Ethiopian Wildlife and Natural History Society
Biological Society of Ethiopia
Forestry Professional Association of Ethiopia
Ethiopian Heritage Trust
Biology Department, Addis Ababa University


links as cited above;


Coritz website >>> URL: http://www.deadlybeautiful.com


Coritz parviocula videos on you tube http://youtube.com/watch?v=ze2y8UuVMU4

winded individual that's for sure....Somebody with a grudge?...Is the name Justin Miller on the suspect List? HaHa....just a thought.....Like who would even know such stuff???? That list must be shorter than the "Short Bus" Good Luck

Not me.....I'll use my name. I was guessing who this was as well, and I passed this e-mail onto a few people. I'm letting USFWS take care of this case of smuggling.

Sounds more like a thread for the BOI than here.. Al you should start a thread there using this guys name and see if he shows up to defend his accusations. Randy

Originally Posted by Intense Herpetoculture

Not me.....I'll use my name. I was guessing who this was as well, and I passed this e-mail onto a few people. I'm letting USFWS take care of this case of smuggling.

I think you should take care of all the money you stole first.