Notices |
Hello!
Either you have not registered on this site yet, or you are registered but have not logged in. In either case, you will not be able to use the full functionality of this site until you have registered, and then logged in after your registration has been approved.
Registration is FREE, so please register so you can participate instead of remaining a lurker....
Please note that the information requested during registration will be used to determine your legitimacy as a participant of this site. As such, any information you provide that is determined to be false, inaccurate, misleading, or highly suspicious will result in your registration being rejected. This is designed to try to discourage as much as possible those spammers and scammers that tend to plague sites of this nature, to the detriment of all the legitimate members trying to enjoy the features this site provides for them.
Of particular importance is the REQUIREMENT that you provide your REAL full name upon registering. Sorry, but this is not like other sites where anonymity is more the rule.
Also your TRUE location is important. If the location you enter in your profile field does not match the location of your registration IP address, then your registration will be rejected. As such, I strongly urge registrants to avoid using a VPN service to register, as they are often used by spammers and scammers, and as such will be blocked when discovered when auditing new registrations.
Sorry about all these hoops to jump through, but I am quite serious about blocking spammers and scammers at the gate on this site and am doing the very best that I can to that effect. Trust me, I would rather be doing more interesting things with my time, and wouldn't be making this effort if I didn't think it was worthwhile.
|
|
01-09-2019, 09:54 AM
|
#1
|
|
Antaresia Questions
Hello all!
I'm a reasonably new snake owner several months into owning a western hognose, who is doing awesome! I also recently bought a female Children's Python at an expo a few days ago. She looked to be in good health at the time, no mites and didn't seem too skinny. She never struck at me, but she did nuzzle and try to bite several times. I was assured that she would calm down with steady handling, and I wrote the behavior off to young snake nippiness.
On the drive home, I realized that I'd forgotten to ask how old she was - messaging the seller later, I was told that she is about a year and a half old. That surprised me for a number of reasons:
Visually, she's got a more defined pattern than many of the images of Children's Pythons I've seen online. I'd assumed it was an age thing, since it sounded like Children's and Spotted Pythons tend to look really similar when they're young, but if she's a year and a half, her coloration should have lightened and her spots gotten more diffuse by now, yes? I'll attach a pic for reference.
Temperament-wise, I'd heard that Antaresia pythons across the board tend to be really docile and inquisitive snakes, once they get out of the juvenile nippy stage. I would have thought she'd be out of that by a year and a half. That said, it could have been the increased stress between the expo and having just got her home (she tried the same thing while I was weighing her and getting her set up in quarantine). I also would have expected her to strike out of nerves, rather than the nuzzle-and-bite that she is doing...?
Size-wise, she seems small for her age. She weighs in at 51 grams, and the only size chart I can find clocks individuals in a clutch in at anywhere from 100g-250g at 12 months, much less at around 18 months. That said, I could only find the one chart - what's actually a good weight for a year-and-a-half old Antaresia python? If she is underweight, should I try and feed more like every 5 days (as long as she's defecated first) to help her put on weight, or stick to the every 7 I'd originally planned?
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
|
|
|
01-09-2019, 10:18 AM
|
#2
|
|
Nuzzle then nip sounds more like a food response (hmmmmmmmm this smells like it might be edible, let's taste it and see) than defensiveness, which is usually a fast bite and retreat. Try putting something like lemon-scent hand sanitizer on your hands before picking her up to see if that stops the behavior; the sharp smell should turn off any food response.
I can't help with an appropriate size for her age, but do bear in mind that most snakes in captivity are overfed, and a slightly underweight snake is preferable to one that has been grown up quickly or allowed to get fat. Based on your picture I would say that the snake is fine, as it's square and not round so it's not been overfed, and the spine is not protruding so it's not underweight.
|
|
|
01-09-2019, 11:20 AM
|
#3
|
|
Although I don't work with Children's pythons, I do work with the closely related Stimson's python. Comparing the size of the snake to the size of the hands, I'd say that the snake is a pretty normal size for a year and a half old. I would feed that snake a weanling mouse once a week, if it were mine.
The nuzzle and bite could be a feeding bite, but it could also be a defensive bite. I have had the occasional Stimson's do the same thing, and milk snakes are notorious for this behavior. This isn't abnormal, considering the new housing and new person it is being exposed to. More than likely, it will settle down with time.
Regarding the pattern; at this point, the adult coloration should have mostly come in. That being the case, this appears to be a Spotted, rather than a Children's python. A photo of the parents should help confirm that one way or another.
|
|
|
01-10-2019, 10:12 AM
|
#4
|
|
Thanks for the responses folks!
I'm not amazingly worried about temperament issues - I can work with her on anything like that. I was mostly just worried about the possible size issues / underfeeding, and whether the biting issues were a corroborating sign of something like that.
I'll give her some time to settle in and get a good few meals into her, then reassess
Quote:
Originally Posted by Herpin Man
I would feed that snake a weanling mouse once a week, if it were mine.
|
I took a look at this site here for what you meant by weanlings: http://www.rodentpro.com/feeder-mice-guide.asp
Wouldn't a 13g-17g mouse be too big for her, given her weight? Given that she's only 51g, a 13g mouse would be about 25% of her body weight - I thought the rule of thumb was 10-15%? Or am I wrong about that?
|
|
|
01-11-2019, 04:31 PM
|
#5
|
|
No, it shouldn't be too big, but if you're hesitant, you could always go smaller and feed two at a time. However the smaller the mice, the higher the fat content. I am an advocate of feeding older rodents as soon as the snake is able to take them, for the nutritional advantage.
I also find that most "rule of thumb" feeding guidelines that are found online underestimate the size of prey item that a given herp species can eat. That's strictly my opinion, of course, but I tend to ignore things like that in favor of letting past experience be my guide.
|
|
|
01-11-2019, 08:35 PM
|
#6
|
|
I don't feel that is a pure Children's python. Nor does it look like a Stimpson's to me. I'd say it is either a spotted or one of the ubiquitous spotted x Children's hybrids.
|
|
|
01-15-2019, 10:56 AM
|
#7
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Herpin Man
No, it shouldn't be too big, but if you're hesitant, you could always go smaller and feed two at a time. However the smaller the mice, the higher the fat content. I am an advocate of feeding older rodents as soon as the snake is able to take them, for the nutritional advantage.
I also find that most "rule of thumb" feeding guidelines that are found online underestimate the size of prey item that a given herp species can eat. That's strictly my opinion, of course, but I tend to ignore things like that in favor of letting past experience be my guide.
|
Fair enough I'll snag a couple of larger mice before her next meal and see what she'll take. She had 2 fuzzies on the 11th, so I have a bit of time to go get those.
Quote:
Originally Posted by elena
I don't feel that is a pure Children's python. Nor does it look like a Stimpson's to me. I'd say it is either a spotted or one of the ubiquitous spotted x Children's hybrids.
|
I did speak to the breeder and he said he has both spotteds and childrens, and this one's parents were definitely both childrens. *shrug*
Doesn't REALLY matter all that much I suppose, since I wasn't really planning on breeding her. Might have been nice in future, maybe, but if I can't be 100% sure which species she is (or if she's a hybrid), I likely won't.
|
|
|
Join
now to reply to this thread or open new ones
for your questions & comments! FaunaClassifieds.com
is the largest online community about Reptile
& Amphibians, Snakes, Lizards and number one
classifieds service with thousands of ads to look
for. Registration is open to everyone and FREE.
Click Here to Register!
|
Thread Tools |
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
Similar Threads
|
Thread |
Thread Starter |
Forum |
Replies |
Last Post |
1.1 Antaresia childreni
|
markg |
Trading and Bartering |
0 |
09-24-2015 03:39 PM |
[For Sale] Antaresia
|
liasis314 |
Pythons |
0 |
09-14-2014 06:24 PM |
Antaresia
|
Mark and Aimee |
Pythons Discussion Forum |
5 |
10-23-2004 12:24 AM |
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:26 PM.
|
|