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Old 07-22-2017, 04:28 PM   #1
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What Subspecies is this Milk/King Snake?

NOTE: I apologize for the previous post being automatically closed upon submission. This is my first time using this website.

I bought from a breeder who claimed the snake was a Mexican milk (annulata). I am not quite sure that the snake is actually annulata, however. I have provided three photos including a side view, an overhead view, and the ventral. What I can say is that the snake is not: sinaloae, nelsoni, or campbelli. Also not a cross. I have asked three people before and they all said zonata, however, the ventral does not match zonata.

Characteristics:

-Bright yellow band adjacent to the head, rest of the light bands are cream colored
-Black tips over the red in a few areas on top of this animal, giving it an hourglass appearance in these areas
-Ventral is a paler black and white. No red on the underside at all. The red bands extend to the very edge of the underside, though
-Without bright light the red would appear very dark, so the camera "lies" to an extent
-27 light bands in total, 24 red bands.
-Juvenile. Rather thin, around the size of one's pinky finger. 16 inches in length
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Old 07-22-2017, 04:35 PM   #2
ZonataKlaub
Mexican Milksnake
 
Old 07-22-2017, 05:41 PM   #3
davy a.
Why have you ruled out a cross, or maybe an intergrade..most annulata I've seen have 14 to 20 red bands, as books I've seen say that..that said, the belly and head speak Annulata..Markel's book says it intergrades widely w/ gentilis to the north, which could speak to the increased red bands.. maybe MikeFedsen could chime in..doesn't have signs that it's Celaenops except for the red count..perhaps Cela/annulata blend, I do celaenops from Big Bend area, and most have white striping mid ventral,especially under chin and front of snake..
 
Old 07-24-2017, 11:09 PM   #4
JeffC
Looks like the amaura x annulata intergrade that occurs here, down at Matagorda bay
 
Old 07-24-2017, 11:13 PM   #5
JeffC
I say this because they seem to always have the belly of annulata, and the pattern, but they always have the pointed snout of amaura.
 
Old 07-25-2017, 12:34 AM   #6
AbsoluteApril
Moving this to the discussion forums
 

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