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Old 10-23-2008, 04:17 PM   #1
WebSlave
Obama and the attempt to destroy the Second Amendment

By David T. Hardy

Source: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-a...ond-amendment/

As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama must demonstrate executive experience, but he remains strangely silent about his eight years (1994-2002) as a director of the Joyce Foundation, a billion dollar tax-exempt organization. He has one obvious reason: during his time as director, Joyce Foundation spent millions creating and supporting anti-gun organizations.

There is another, less known, reason.

During Obama’s tenure, the Joyce Foundation board planned and implemented a program targeting the Supreme Court. The work began five years into Obama’s directorship, when the Foundation had experience in turning its millions into anti-gun “grassroots” organizations, but none at converting cash into legal scholarship.

The plan’s objective was bold: the judicial obliteration of the Second Amendment.

Joyce’s directors found a vulnerable point. When judges cannot rely upon past decisions, they sometimes turn to law review articles. Law reviews are impartial, and famed for meticulous cite-checking. They are also produced on a shoestring. Authors of articles receive no compensation; editors are law students who work for a tiny stipend.

In 1999, midway through Obama’s tenure, the Joyce board voted to grant the Chicago-Kent Law Review $84,000, a staggering sum by law review standards. The Review promptly published an issue in which all articles attacked the individual right view of the Second Amendment.

In a breach of law review custom, Chicago-Kent let an “outsider” serve as editor; he was Carl Bogus, a faculty member of a different law school. Bogus had a unique distinction: he had been a director of Handgun Control Inc. (today’s Brady Campaign), and was on the advisory board of the Joyce-funded Violence Policy Center.

Bogus solicited only articles hostile to the individual right view of the Second Amendment, offering authors $5,000 each. But word leaked out, and Prof. Randy Barnett of Boston University volunteered to write in defense of the individual right to arms. Bogus refused to allow him to write for the review, later explaining that “sometimes a more balanced debate is best served by an unbalanced symposium.” Prof. James Lindgren, a former Chicago-Kent faculty member, remembers that when Barnett sought an explanation he “was given conflicting reasons, but the opposition of the Joyce Foundation was one that surfaced at some time.” Joyce had bought a veto power over the review’s content.

Joyce Foundation apparently believed it held this power over the entire university. Glenn Reynolds later recalled that when he and two other professors were scheduled to discuss the Second Amendment on campus, Joyce’s staffers “objected strenuously” to their being allowed to speak, protesting that Joyce Foundation was being cheated by an “‘agenda of balance’ that was inconsistent with the Symposium’s purpose.” Joyce next bought up an issue of Fordham Law Review.

The plan worked smoothly. One court, in the course of ruling that there was no individual right to arms, cited the Chicago-Kent articles eight times. Then, in 2001, a federal Court of Appeals in Texas determined that the Second Amendment was an individual right.

The Joyce Foundation board (which still included Obama) responded by expanding its attack on the Second Amendment. Its next move came when Ohio State University announced it was establishing the “Second Amendment Research Center” as a thinktank headed by anti-individual-right historian Saul Cornell. Joyce put up no less than $400,000 to bankroll its creation. The grant was awarded at the board’s December 2002 meeting, Obama’s last function as a Joyce director. In reporting the grant, the OSU magazine Making History made clear that the purpose was to influence a future Supreme Court case:
“The effort is timely: a series of test cases - based on a new wave of scholarship, a recent decision by a federal Court of Appeals in Texas, and a revised Justice Department policy-are working their way through the courts. The litigants challenge the courts’ traditional reading of the Second Amendment as a protection of the states’ right to organize militia, asserting that the Amendment confers a much broader right for individuals to own guns. The United States Supreme Court is likely to resolve the debate within the next three to five years.”
(45:17-18; online link; slow).

The Center proceeded to generate articles denying the individual right to arms. The OSU connection also gave Joyce an academic money laundry. When it decided to buy an issue of the Stanford Law and Policy Review, it had a cover. Joyce handed OSU $125,000 for that purpose; all the law review editors knew was that OSU’s Foundation granted them that breathtaking sum, and a helpful Prof. Cornell volunteered to organize the issue. (The review was later sufficiently embarassed to publish an open letter on the affair).

The Joyce directorate’s plan almost succeeded. The individual rights view won out in the Heller Supreme Court appeal, but only by 5-4. The four dissenters were persuaded in part by Joyce-funded writings, down to relying on an article which misled them on critical historical documents.

Having lost that fight, Obama now claims he always held the individual rights view of the Second Amendment, and that he “respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms.” But as a Joyce director, Obama was involved in a wealthy foundation’s attempt to manipulate the Supreme Court, buy legal scholarship, and obliterate the individual right to arms.

Voters who value the Constitution should ask whether someone who was party to that plan should be nominating future Supreme Court justices.
 
Old 10-23-2008, 05:45 PM   #2
xanaxez
well i cant say what i would liek to say about obama to begin with because it would be a federal offense but i myself would never vote this idiot in to begin with and as for obama supporters they're ignorant in his ways and his disguised evilness. also heres another little piece i was sent in an email i hope you dont mind webslave, if you do then just delete it.

This will make you re-think: A Trivia question in Sunday School:

How long is the beast allowed to have authority in Revelations?

Revelations Chapter 13 tells us it is 42 months, and you know what that is. Almost a four-year term of a Presidency.
All I can say is 'Lord, Have mercy on us!'

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is:
The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace and when he is in power, will destroy everything..
Do we recognize this description??

From: Dr. John Tisdale
Dear Friends,
As I was listening to a news program last night, I watched in horror as Barack Obama made the statement with pride. . .'we are no longer a Christian nation; we are now a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, . . .'
As with so many other statements I've heard him (and his wife) make, I never thought I'd see the day that I'd hear something like that from a presidential candidate in this nation. To think our forefathers fought and died for the right for our nation to be a Christian nation--and to have this man say with pride that we are no longer that. How far this nation has come from what our founding fathers intended it to be.
I hope that each of you will do what I'm doing now--send your concerns, written simply and sincerely, to the Christians on your email list.
With God's help, and He is still in control of this nation and all else, we can show this man and the world in November that we are, indeed, still a Christian nation!
Please pray for our nation!
 
Old 10-23-2008, 06:09 PM   #3
Wolfy-hound
No, the antichrist is not described the way the email says.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/antichrist.asp

I don't think that the right to worship how I choose is regulated to worshipping only if I'm a christian. The freedom of religion applies to everyone, and not to just a section of christianity.

I don't like Obama, but I don't like McCain either. They are all lowlife politicians.
 
Old 10-23-2008, 06:24 PM   #4
xanaxez
you're right and all we can do is either not vote or vote for the best liar. which obama is the best liar but atleast mccain will keep fighting the war in other countries not allowing them to attack us on our on like obama would.
 
Old 10-23-2008, 06:36 PM   #5
MikeCurtin
Let's look at the core of this thread. Thomas Jefferson once said that the greatest reason to preserve the right to keep and bear arms is to prevent tyranny in government. This election, I have to vote for the preservation of that very right. While Obama may not attempt to push a blanket ban on guns, he is sure to get support in implementing cost prohibitive taxes on both firearms and ammo.

Also, here's a refresher for all those who have forgotten. What's B.O. have in common with Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin? Anyone?

RIGHT!!! They all supported gun control among the civilian population.

.....from my cold, dead hands!
 
Old 10-23-2008, 07:05 PM   #6
Wolfy-hound
http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

Just saying. The politicians will say whatever lies they need to, in order to get elected. Somehow McCain used to be gun control, but now is anti-gun-control.
If you look at voting on bills, you see what candidates support or not.
Both Obama AND McCain have supported gun control. It's just who is handing them money at the moment. Right now Obama supports gun control MORE than McCain.
I'm just pointing out, the lesser of two evils is still evil.
I think that if a non-politician ran for office, I'd be happier.
 
Old 10-23-2008, 07:07 PM   #7
xanaxez
i think howard stern should run for president lmao
 
Old 10-23-2008, 07:10 PM   #8
MikeCurtin
So who's for putting some pressure on terrible Ted!?! I'd vote for him in a heartbeat!!!

I see your point about telling people what they want to hear, however, McCain's idea of gun control is nowhere near as radical as Obama's. I'm for looser regulations on law abiding citizens, with stricter penalties for actual criminals, so ANY gun control support by McCain just adds to my list of things I don't like about him...I just keep thinking about the options.
 
Old 10-23-2008, 07:11 PM   #9
MikeCurtin
Quote:
Originally Posted by xanaxez View Post
i think howard stern should run for president lmao
eeesh!
 
Old 10-23-2008, 07:30 PM   #10
LauraB
Quote:
Originally Posted by xanaxez View Post
According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is:
The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace and when he is in power, will destroy everything..
Do we recognize this description??
I searched front cover to back. I didn't find that anywhere in the Book of Revelations. Please direct me to that description in the Book.

That said, I'm with Wolfy... on everything.
 

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