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Old 04-15-2006, 03:42 PM   #1
Great Lakes Reptiles
Corn ID please

I picked this male up last summer it was being sold as a butter corn, I know its not a butter but I am confused about its ID, can anyone help. I'll be breeding him next season to a snow, anyone know what I might get out of that breeding. sorry cell phone pics.
 
Old 04-15-2006, 04:58 PM   #2
Traci1
Hi, that is an amelanistic corn. If you breed it to a snow, and they are not both "het" for any of the same traits, you will get all amelanistics het for anerythristic.
 
Old 04-15-2006, 05:34 PM   #3
Great Lakes Reptiles
thanks, are there different types of amelanistis corns like (butters?) any suggestions on what female morf I could get to breed with my male? Sorry for the dumb questions but I'm more into pythons and boas, my kids have been taking an interest in herps so Ive started buying some corns so they can have some "safe" hands on experience with herps.
 
Old 04-15-2006, 06:12 PM   #4
rad2217
It looks to me to be a creamsicle,You will still get amels from the snow x creamsicle breeding.
It is possible that is has butter bred into it, Some breeders do breed butter into their creamsicle lines to enhance the yellows.
 
Old 04-15-2006, 08:21 PM   #5
TripleMoonsExotic
I would have to agree that it looks like a Creamsicle. Please keep in mind that Creamsicles are Hybrids (Emoryi x Corn) and any offspring must be sold as such.

Good luck!
 
Old 04-15-2006, 08:40 PM   #6
Great Lakes Reptiles
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Originally Posted by TripleMoonsExotic
I would have to agree that it looks like a Creamsicle. Please keep in mind that Creamsicles are Hybrids (Emoryi x Corn) and any offspring must be sold as such.

Good luck!
How many different color morphs are there for this hybrid (Emoryi x Corn)?
 
Old 04-15-2006, 08:59 PM   #7
TripleMoonsExotic
A hybrid's a hybrid. Really, it can be crossed into anything. I believe a Hypo Emoryi hybrid is called a Cinnamon.
 
Old 04-16-2006, 02:28 AM   #8
PaulSage
I thought that "hybrid" referred to the product offspring of two different species, and that an "intergrade" was the product offspring of two different SUB-species. So, wouldn't that make creamsicles an intergrade, not a hybrid?
 
Old 04-16-2006, 07:41 AM   #9
rad2217
I would have to agree that it is an intergrade.I also agree that any creamsicle should be sold as such,and any amel(Corn) should be pure corn.Many breeders are mixing the two and not selling them as emoryi intergrades.Would you like to buy an amel stripe that has creamsicle blood line in it?Maybe it's just me,but I am a corn purist.Dont get me wrong,I do have creamsicles and creamsicle stripes.They will stay that way.And thats the way it should be in my opinion.
 
Old 04-16-2006, 07:47 AM   #10
Traci1
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Originally Posted by PaulSage
I thought that "hybrid" referred to the product offspring of two different species, and that an "intergrade" was the product offspring of two different SUB-species. So, wouldn't that make creamsicles an intergrade, not a hybrid?
P. emoryi is a different species from P. guttatus, (not exactly sure when the taxonomy changed though)

Also to lubricus....one really can't say a corn is a creamsicle just because it has a lighter color than other amelanistics...it has to have emoryi blood to be a creamsicle. Although you obviously can't go by what the seller told you, since they said it was a butter, there is really no way to know for sure. If you do breed it make sure to tell any buyers exactly what happened...that it was sold to you as a butter and obviously it's not...that you don't know what could be "in the mix".

Just like with very brightly colored reverse okeetees, many people assume right away that they are jungle corns. I've seen quite a few reverse okees that are so bright you need to wear shades to look at them! LOL. And they have no king snake blood in them.
 

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