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Old 01-22-2017, 11:48 AM   #91
JColt
Between this thread and the one Lucille mentioned I have to say that he is one passive/aggressive person.

People like that have such a hard time in life.
 
Old 01-22-2017, 11:54 AM   #92
Mac's Morphs
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I think this entire thread is one big bluff contrived to bully Popp into a refund after Chris had buyer's remorse.
I think Popp (smartly) isn't taking the bait and doesn't believe the coy implications of unseen, likely nonexistent evidence, and I look forward to seeing what happens Wednesday, if anything happens at all.
I am one of the "specialist" who Chris seemed advice about this situation and even before buying the turtles.

This is no where near the case of buyers remorse. He purchased "adult breeder albino her for snow and caramel" but received juvenile to sub adult animal that are not het for snow or caramel.

I only wanted to chime in to give me input. Chris paid for certain turtles, he didn't receive the turtles he was supposed to. He was expecting turtles that would one: breeding this coming season and two: would produce caramels and snows.

These turtles will not be able to breed for at least one to two years, ando the turtles Andrew sold he had advertised 6 months earlier as normal allbinos. He then claimed they sold and we're different turtles then after verifying they were the same he admitted they were the same but still says they are het for snow and caramel but with no proof. Even his work where he purchased them said they were just albino and never sold them to Andrew as het for anything.

The straight forward fact is they are not adult breeder size, and at least 1 to 2 years away from breeding. He paid for and the contract says breeders. That alone is a big factor as the price difference for adult breeders and sub adults is at least dounless. So at bare minimum these animals are worth half the price he paid but likely less. Then if they are in fact not even het they are worth again half that as well and he wouldn't even have purchased them as he did not want normal albinos.

Just wanted to put that information out there since I was a person who has given advice and information in this situation.
 
Old 01-22-2017, 12:00 PM   #93
JCCS
Quick question. If they are not of breeding size, how is it that you know they are not hets?
 
Old 01-22-2017, 12:04 PM   #94
JCCS
I just read further, but that is still really murky. "Proof" of hets is always reliant on the word of the seller.
 
Old 01-22-2017, 12:11 PM   #95
Mac's Morphs
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Quick question. If they are not of breeding size, how is it that you know they are not hets?
If they are "hets" you can't typically trace them back to the original breeder who could verify selling them. Or you have a receipt from your purchase stating they are hets. Andrew bought them from his work as normal albinos. There is no paperwork of information making them het except for Andrew's word. He can not provide any history on them, where his work got them, who hatched or bred them. Zero proof other then he says they are but the place he bought them said they were sold as normal albinos. Also his ad from July said just Albinos. Never in the ad anywhere did he say they were het, if you had something that is het which would also make it worth way more I am.pretty sure that would be important information to ad to your sales ad.
 
Old 01-22-2017, 12:20 PM   #96
Mac's Morphs
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I just read further, but that is still really murky. "Proof" of hets is always reliant on the word of the seller.
The problem is he has also least two marks against him in this reguard:

First he posted them for sale in July as normals
Second he got them from his work as normal albinos

The only "proof" he has is he says they are.

Unfortunately the only solid information is they are not hets.

Also the ad in July that he posted them for sale in as normal albinos. If they were hets. He would have paid almost double the price he was selling them for then. He was asking $2000 for all 3. In 2015 the main breeder was selling albinos het for snow and caramel for $1200- $1500 each got hatchling. So not sure how he store somehow got them cheap enough to sell to Andrew for Andrew to sell them got $2000 when you couldn't get them for less then $1200 each.
 
Old 01-22-2017, 12:42 PM   #97
bcr229
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This is no where near the case of buyers remorse. He purchased "adult breeder albino her for snow and caramel" but received juvenile to sub adult animal that are not het for snow or caramel.

I only wanted to chime in to give me input. Chris paid for certain turtles, he didn't receive the turtles he was supposed to. He was expecting turtles that would one: breeding this coming season and two: would produce caramels and snows.
This is really all that matters, it's a civil case not criminal. I don't see the seller or anyone else being arrested or charged over it. If he were still on probation or parole, which isn't likely since he was released from prison back in 2011, or if he'd ripped off several dozen buyers so there was a pattern of fraud, then the authorities might act.

The buyer is due either the difference in value between what he purchased versus what he received, or, if he returns the turtles, the full purchase price. Unfortunately he paid using a method that didn't provide him with any buyer protection. Had he used a credit card he'd likely have his money back by now.

The small claims limit in Nevada is $10k so at least the buyer won't be paying for an attorney, just hotel and travel. I also don't blame him for not posting all of the evidence here. If I were getting ready to file a civil suit then the last place I would put my evidence is in the public domain. I would release it once it had been presented to the court.
 
Old 01-22-2017, 01:31 PM   #98
Fangthane
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If I were getting ready to file a civil suit then the last place I would put my evidence is in the public domain. I would release it once it had been presented to the court.
I don't think there's much of anything to gain by withholding it, at this point. Were it a matter of strategy, he already blew any element of surprise he may have had by detailing all the evidence he supposedly has. The prudent-forbearance ship already sailed.

I think there's an easy case to be made for the idea that the OP has previously shown himself to be just a little full of . While it seems pretty clear that he didn't get exactly what he was supposed to in this transaction, I can't help wondering if his heretofore unsubstantiated statements can really be trusted.

There's a certain amount of bluff and bluster that might be expected in the pursuit of justice; then, there's the outright fabrication of evidence. I think it may be helpful to know which side of that line he's on. It may be bad form to grill the victim, but I think he's earned his special attention.
 
Old 01-22-2017, 02:44 PM   #99
bcr229
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I don't think there's much of anything to gain by withholding it, at this point. Were it a matter of strategy, he already blew any element of surprise he may have had by detailing all the evidence he supposedly has. The prudent-forbearance ship already sailed.
Good point, if I were seriously about suing I would not have started the thread. Most people who post about bad transactions are not dealing with six-figure losses where the cost to go to court makes it worth the legal fight; their only recourse is to trash the seller's reputation.
 
Old 01-22-2017, 03:43 PM   #100
calebroad
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Chris, I hope everything you say is the truth and you are going to Las Vegas armed with all the evidence you say you have. I understand that you would not show all evidence on this forum until after the court appearance.
Good Luck!

Thank you for your support, although Wednesday, I can only file the lawsuits against Scales N Tails, and Andrew Popp, a court date will be set for a date in the future, where I will valiantly present my evidence, the best I can.

Also, the assistant investigator with the Vegas DA office has agreed to sit with me and discuss the matter at 10:30am Wednesday, that is not to say he is going to do anything for me, but if Andrew Popp is still on parole or probation, and with his record, well, I am going to ask this guy very kindly.

Also, Adam with Scales N Tails agreed that I am owed an immediate refund, so this gives me hope this will be settled. I will update the post on Wednesday as promised, with copies of the lawsuits. I am anxious
 

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