Josh@Outbackreps

Originally Posted by -C@jun-

I will refer him to here and he can clear this up. That there is something there. Weather it's nothing or not theres a defect in the tail. Vet said its not genetic but something that happen in birth. Still is a defect for a perfect snake.

For the 30th time, you were offered a refund for the animal if you returned it.

The seller already acknoweledged that there may have been something wrong with the animal and offered to correct it.

The issue has already been addressed.

You keep going on about how you were "misled" and "lied" to. People make mistakes, and in this case Josh went out of his way to fix that and you just don't want to be satisfied it seems.

In any other transaction, what would happen? Lets say you purchase a computer from (x) company, you get it and find the CD drive doesn't work (something small, but important and easially overlooked). You call the company and ask if you can return it for a new one. If the company has good practices and standards they have you box it up, send it back and either repair it or send you a new one. Why is this transaction so different?

The good guys and bad guys are seperated by WHAT they do WHEN there is a problem. As its not a matter of "if" there is a problem. Good breeders and suppliers go out of their way to correct mistakes. Bad guys keep your money and leave you high and dry. Based on this thread what do you think everyone who has taken the time to read it has labeled Outback as?

Hopefully your buddy can shed some light on this.

Most of this thread is a waste of time.

It's not a kink, it's a skinny imported snake.

Don't buy skinny imported snakes.

Don't sell skinny imported recently post first shed morphs to beginners. Or to anyone, really... this is not very nice to the animal.

If the snake would have been fed and hydrated upon shipment, none of this would have happened.

There is no defect

I wish I could find a picture of a nice fancy medal and bring it here, because this seller deserves one. Not only did he offer a full refund, but has pretty much kept his composure through all the ridiculousness the buyer has kept throwing at him.

Seller, well done.

Well, I have been hesitant to post my experience, but, I will post it here. I bought a couple animals from Josh back in January(1.0 Black Pastel het Hypo and 0.2 Het Hypos). They came in looking healthy, but, within a few weeks one came down with respritory infection while in quarintine. Mind you, this was a quaratine rack built especially for these animals. This rack never got touched without washing hands before and after and is located on the opposite end of the house in a seperate room.

After contacting Josh, I was told he would give me a discount on future purchases. Who the hell is going to want to buy animals from somebody like this a second time? Not me. So, I added Outback Reptiles to my "DO NOT PURCHASE FROM" list. Which I did not like doing due to the fact that they have some good deals. Unfortunately, when dealing with living animals deals are not always the best thing to go for(you get what you pay for).

I was able to treat that female and admit her to a life long stay in quarintine away from the rest of my collection. Well, after moving the second female out of quarintine into my collection(right next to my het Clowns in the rack, hopefully they don't get sick now), she came down sick. I figured I would call Josh and let him know that the second female came down sick also(he told me in the begging that if one animal was sick they all would be because they were shipped together). I was told that three months down the line is too long to do anything. The funniest thing about this statement is the fact that he did not do anything in the first three weeks of having these animals. I'm not going to rant on forever with this. I am treating the female that is sick now and will be admitting her toi a life long stay in quarintine also. I just figured this experience would give the OP a bit of credit in this situation. Josh and Outback have established a name.....I believe they use it as a crutch in situations like this. Josh when you read this.... I have been willing from the begining to send these animals back and have you replace them and you know it(I told you). Why was I never offered the option?

I forgot to post my name.

Mike Dickinson

I don't think that there's much hope for giving THIS OP any credit at this point. But, just like we ask everyone else, do you have any proof of any of these happenings. Not saying you just made it up to "give credit to the OP". Just asking if you have any e-mails or such.

Originally Posted by -C@jun-

you kind of got it. He had some snakes on here that were orange ghosts he was selling for cheap. I saw the thread and thought "look her brothers" after reading i find they have some birth defects. I start reading up on the whole kink thing because my snake had something in her tail as well. I didn't know from day 1 that it was a kink. i thought it was a weight issue seeing this snake just had its first shed 2 days before received her and probably hadn't even had her first meal yet. she had a wrinkle in her tail section that did go away. Thought she just needed food. Like a skinny person with there ribs showing. They need to eat and put weight on. i then sent a pm to josh asking why he didn't list any problems or have the snake I have now as a kinked animal. Well you can read all the pm's. I didn't want ALL of my money just the portion where it would reflect a defected snake like his latest ad of 75$ a snake and I give it 50$ shipping would of made 125$ where I paid 300$ for a snake that was suppose to 100% perfect. As put "Meant to refresh a blood line". The pm's didn't go no where.

So I don't see why your saying he didn't deserve a bad guy thread/a bad review. He falsified a ad! I see it he lied to me. Why didn't he list her on here like he does the rest of his snakes. Why did he delete his thread on the orange ghost males after I confronted him about my situation? Weather or not he overlooked it or not! This is his job! This is how he makes money. If you mess up at work you think boss man should pay for it? Most of the time they would but theres always the chance he will dock pay fire you etc. Maybe I should of called him from the get go about my concerns but I didn't know. She was real flat when I got her and it seemed like she just needed a couple meals.
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Sounds to me as if you're feeling her pelvic girdle, which indeed will no longer be felt once she's begun eating, and has more body fat and muscle on her bones. A vet x-ray will most likely confirm this. Even from your blurry photos, I do not think you have a "kinked" animal.

The think about your claim is your self-righteous attitude. As someone who has been both a buyer as well as a seller, I've experienced both sides of the coin. I personally know that when people approach me with concerns in an honest, respectful manner, I'm much more open to working with them, and even taking a loss in order to assure them a positive experience. I've also had the pleasure of working with excellent sellers who have gone above and beyond to make me happy, with replacement snakes, refunds, etc, when I wasn't even asking for them, simply reporting to them issues that I thought they should be aware of. As someone else has stated, I believe it was Matt, professionalism is amazingly resourceful in professional situations!! Imagine that!!

Originally Posted by -C@jun-

What I learned from this is I will never buy online again. I've lost faith that business can be conducted over the internet properly. Look at the Wise's took a bunch of you for a ride there.

That right there, C@jun, will earn you quite a few folks that will place you on both their "do not buy from" and "do not sell" to list. What the Wises' did was a disgusting ordeal. But, if anything has been shown from it, it is how strong this community is, and how willing we are to band together to stand behind our own. You're making yourself into a bad guy, and you'll find yourself in a lonely position if a bad guy situation were to actually arise. Making good contacts, and gaining the respect of individuals in the community will get you a lot further in this hobby than the approach you're taking

Originally Posted by Matt2979

I don't think that there's much hope for giving THIS OP any credit at this point. But, just like we ask everyone else, do you have any proof of any of these happenings. Not saying you just made it up to "give credit to the OP". Just asking if you have any e-mails or such.

To be completely honest, I just make phone calls. I work a crap load of hours and phone calls are much more convenient for me. You guys can make whatever you want of what I have to say. I have no reason to lie.

Originally Posted by twistedtails

To be completely honest, I just make phone calls. I work a crap load of hours and phone calls are much more convenient for me. You guys can make whatever you want of what I have to say. I have no reason to lie.

Don't worry about these chillins they have nothing better to do or a life at that.


OK went to my buds house this morning. He says she is to skinny. He thinks the flair over vent is just because she is skinny. He didn't even want to probe her because of it. Just his 2 cent. I will still go to the exotics specialist next week.