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Old 07-07-2009, 02:23 PM   #11
Suncoast Herpetological
Unless my math is completely off, the only three levels of possible hets that can truly be calculated to a punnett square mathematical percentage are 50%, 66% and 100%. All of these can be calculated due to the fact that either visuals or animals guaranteed 100% het are involved. You have to know the genetic makeup to a certainty to properly use a Punnet Square.
 
Old 07-07-2009, 02:24 PM   #12
Shadera
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Originally Posted by Seamus Haley View Post
Fifty percent is also a possible het. And it's a lower chance than a 66% possible het.

Possible hets should not be sold as normals. The values may be similar, as the supply of animals carrying that genetic material go up and the demand goes down or is fulfilled, but they should not be sold as normals. Some people deliberately seek out phenotypical normalcy and should be informed in advance if anything they are purchasing is a het or possible het.
When I said sold as a normal, I meant sold at a normal's price given the very low probability that the animal carries anything. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who couldn't in good conscience sell anything less than 50% at above normal prices. That is purely my opinion, which leaves me with about ninety eight cents.

I realize 50 is lower than 66, but I think you're missing where my mind was wandering.

100% het pied x normal = 50% possible hets
66% het pied x normal = 33% possible hets

Does that make more sense, the direction my thoughts were taking? At least with the 100% het x normal pairing there's a chance that eventually one of those babies will carry the gene. In the 66% x normal pairing, it's not known if the possible parent carries the gene so you could crank out babies all day long with none of them carrying the gene.

OP, I hope he makes this right for you.
 
Old 07-07-2009, 04:14 PM   #13
alexestrada17
i think thats true...now i have another question and i would like to know what you guys think...i dont even think these female 33% het pieds are 2008 animals...here i included the pictures..and weights...i have a female pinstripe that i got Dec. 30, 2008 at 72g...she has been fed 1 mouse or 1 rat pup once a week...she is now 385 grams...these babies are 240 grams and 100 something grams...i also included a picture of them next to the late 08 pinstripe. please let me know what you guys think if they are 08's or early 09's..

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/100_0787.jpg
http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/100_0788.jpg

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/100_0785.jpg
http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/100_0786.jpg

the pin is is in shed...but here so you can compare sizes...i got the pinstripe Dec. 30, 2009 @ 72g...
http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/100_0791.jpg
 
Old 07-07-2009, 04:22 PM   #14
Royal Morphz
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Originally Posted by alexestrada17 View Post
i think thats true...now i have another question and i would like to know what you guys think...i dont even think these female 33% het pieds are 2008 animals...here i included the pictures..and weights...i have a female pinstripe that i got Dec. 30, 2008 at 72g...she has been fed 1 mouse or 1 rat pup once a week...she is now 385 grams...these babies are 240 grams and 100 something grams...i also included a picture of them next to the late 08 pinstripe. please let me know what you guys think if they are 08's or early 09's..

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/100_0787.jpg
http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/100_0788.jpg

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/100_0785.jpg
http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/100_0786.jpg

the pin is is in shed...but here so you can compare sizes...i got the pinstripe Dec. 30, 2009 @ 72g...
http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/100_0791.jpg
Alex people that have animals for sale on the scale Ben does, they tend to maintanance feed which is just the minimum amounts so they don't out grow their temporary tubs.
 
Old 07-07-2009, 04:50 PM   #15
Miss Tuniwha
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Originally Posted by alexestrada17 View Post
i think thats true...now i have another question and i would like to know what you guys think...i dont even think these female 33% het pieds are 2008 animals...here i included the pictures..and weights...i have a female pinstripe that i got Dec. 30, 2008 at 72g...she has been fed 1 mouse or 1 rat pup once a week...she is now 385 grams...these babies are 240 grams and 100 something grams...i also included a picture of them next to the late 08 pinstripe. please let me know what you guys think if they are 08's or early 09's..

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/100_0787.jpg
http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/100_0788.jpg

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/100_0785.jpg
http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/100_0786.jpg

the pin is is in shed...but here so you can compare sizes...i got the pinstripe Dec. 30, 2009 @ 72g...
http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/w...7/100_0791.jpg

As Tim mentioned. Many breeders are intending to sell the babies, not keep them. Therefor they do not feed them as much as we do.

Example.

Last year I produced 3 clutches. Sold most of them to friends, a couple to strangers, and kept a couple.

Recently, the 2 people I sold to that were strangers, ran into issues and needed to sell them. So I purchased them back.

The ones I kept range from 450g to 600g. One friend has one that is over 700g.

The 2 babies I bought back range from 220g to 250g

so they most likely ARE 08's.




Have you gotten a reply yet from Ben? If I recall, he does have a good reputation, but with the bigger companies mix ups happen.

Hopefully as soon as he can, he will right this mistake.
 
Old 07-07-2009, 05:05 PM   #16
alexestrada17
no he has not gotten back..according to Bryan the mamager Ben is on a boat....
 
Old 07-07-2009, 06:54 PM   #17
Rainbowboaman
I would have waited untill you talked to Ben rather then start a thread the same day you received the snakes.
 
Old 07-07-2009, 09:33 PM   #18
alexestrada17
im just stating what has happened...it doesnt matter if i spoke to Ben b/c the reality is that he got my order wrong...and now he is not there..but i have not said anything wrong about ben or his company just simply stating what has happened to me..and letting everyone know how he will resolve it.
 
Old 07-07-2009, 11:19 PM   #19
Suncoast Herpetological
No one is saying that you did anything "wrong" Alex. However, given that the animals arrived only this morning and given Ben's stellar reputation in the industry, it would have been prudent to give him a little time to address the situation before posting anything on the BOI. Big name or small, it is only common courtesy. The BOI is generally here for problems that don't get resolved.

I can assure you that Ben will take care of any material error that has occurred. He doesn't have the reputation he does for nothing
 
Old 07-07-2009, 11:34 PM   #20
alexestrada17
im sure he will resolve it. he didnt seem like a bad guy...but this is a pretty upsetting situation...
 

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