O.K., BEEDUB here's the whole thing. Don't you have cages to clean or something?
Tony:
You are not the first Indigo enthusiast to question the red that you will see on my texas Indigos. I have observed in the wild and/or collected all but a few species of drymarchon. All of my animals can be traced by me back to their original wild caught parents with very specific locality data that I will not share. I am the world’s largest breeder of drymarchon. This year was a bad year and I only had sixty-two babies, normally, I am near, if not over, a hundred.
I purposely do not buy from other breeders because of the type of ignorance you are displaying. Most, so called indigo nuts have no idea what the hell they are looking at or talking about. I can easily see a bunch of indigo nuts sitting around in some chat room cooking up stupid ideas like the release of eastern indigos into texas indigo habitat or people crossing easterns into to texas to get red on a texas indigo.
I do not participate in indigo forums or spend much time on the internet because I have animals to take care of. There is nothing that I could learn from you guys and I do not have the time to bring you guys up to speed to hold an intelligent, mutually rewarding, conversation with you. 70% of my female errebennus went to Brian Sharp this year and last. Brian and I have know each other for decades and he knows where to come if he wants a pure blooded animal. No one who knows me questions my integrity. Producing hybrids is a business best left to low life’s. Hybrids belong in ones freezer, not taking up cage space. I do not buy from other indigo “nuts” because most of them could not identify most species of drymarchon. Over 80% of the captive produced indigos offered to me I have identified as hybrids. In my entire drymarchon collection, I only have two animals that I did not produce or catch.
My private collection is larger than the two largest zoo collections in the world put together. Aside from being the world’s largest breeder of drymarchon, I have six world first breedings, and I am the world’s largest breeder of green anacondas, Sulawesi Island Retics, St. Lucian Island Boas, and several species of turtles. etc..
I have over forty years worth of experience with drymarchon. I obtained my first D.c. errebennus in 1969 from Don hamper via Frank Bolin, Director of the Gladys Porter Zoo, Brownsville, Texas. If you talked to Bolin, what he would tell you is the same thing that I am about to tell you. The average, true, texas indigo has far more red on it than any eastern indigo. If I where looking to be an ignorant low life and infuse red into either cooperi or errebennus I would be using errebennus to get more red into my cooperi. Red chinned cooperi have a higher value because most cooperi have a white chin.
I hope that you have gained something from this exchange because I certainly have not.
Captive Born Reptiles
1259 Morse Rd.
Columbus, Ohio 43229
614-267-8025
www.captivebornreptiles.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Carlisle [mailto:thesnakeman@centurytel.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 12:03 PM
To:
cbr@beol.net
Subject: Re: Texas indigos
Janly,
Hey thanks, but please do not take my inquiry as an insult,...not my intention, at all. I'm not one of those people who are jumping to conclusion. I just saw something that looked different, and am trying to find out about it. That's all. Most of us indigo nuts, have never seen or even heard of a red bellied Texan. But if they are real, I'd like to be able to study them in the wild, and perhaps buy some of your babies. Rumor has it that many years ago, some ranchers released a bunch of eastern indigos in south Texas. We would all like to be able to prove, or disprove that, and see the results. Basiclly, the red bellied Texan is somwhat of an anomale, perhaps an inigma, and we would like to figure it out. Any help you could give would be very nice. Pictures, {good ones, up close} locality information, etc. So you know, I'm not trying to bust anyone, or accuse anyone of anything. Just trying to figure it out, with your help. I have a few questions too. You can call me if you want. 573-435-1023 home, 573-578-2325 cell. Perhaps we could get together some time too. Thanks,
T.
----- Original Message -----
From: Captive Born Reptiles
To: 'Tony Carlisle'
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:47 AM
Subject: RE: Texas indigos
Hello Tony Carlisle,
No hybrids what-so-ever. It’s insulting to be accused of cross breeding the indigos.
I’m sure my husband Terry will respond to your message later in more detail when he gets a chance.
Janly Wilkins
Captive Born Reptiles
1259 Morse Rd.
Columbus, Ohio 43229
614-267-8025
www.captivebornreptiles.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Carlisle [mailto:thesnakeman@centurytel.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:06 AM
To:
cbr@beol.net
Subject: Texas indigos
Hi,
My name is Tony Carlisle. I breed eastern indigos here in Missouri. I have never seen Texans with red. Some folks are screaming "Hybrid!" I would like to know where your breeders came from. If possible. I would like to trace them back to a location where I could find more wild specimens for documentation, and further study. Are they hybrids? If not, then let's go find some more, document the location via gps, and photograph each one for further study. Perhaps we could get DNA samples as well for comparison to other erebenus specimens, and couperi. There are a few people who would like to know all the details about red bellied Texans. This could be significant to the study of these two species. Or it could be a result of the alleged releases of couperi in south Texas, in years past. Anyway, there are a few folks who would really like to know! Do you have any good close up pics, head shots? Sorry to bug you, and thanks,
T.
And then I e-mailed another long one, and invited the guy to my house, and offered to buy him a beer and take him fishin. No kidding, but that one is in the deleted folder, since he has refused to respond to it. I can go dig that out too if you really don't believe me yet, and you don't have any cages to clean.
T.