Joe Schmidt/Chad Fuchs and Cryptosporidium!

I'm sorry that you went through this as well! It takes a lot to speak out on something like this.

I'm so sorry you're going through this.

Can I ask if they told you what type of crypto it was that your snakes had? I know of a case of cryptosporidium varanii in hognose snakes (I have asked the individual to post about their experience), but not serpentis.

I'm wondering if maybe the cases are connected. I do know that the other case came from a different seller, but the hognose community is so interconnected that finding patient 0 is important.

I'm attaching a case study on varanii in hognose for reference point. I don't know how much use this will be to you.

Crypto is one reason I quit vending or even attending shows ten years ago. People handling WC water turtles, then snakes with maybe a Dollar store hand sanitizer being used which doesnt do a thing for crypto, leaves people wide open for taking something home along with their new animals and going through something like you went through.

A lot people dont know that only ammonia, heat and peroxide work on crypto and go about disinfecting with bleach or Clorhexidine after a loss and think they're in the clear.

I'm not sure how long crypto can remain in your room ... did your vet mention anything about that ? Very sorry to hear you went through this. I knew someone who experienced it about 20 years ago with some tri-colors but wasn't nearly as bad as what happened to you.

And to make it worse, there are no treatments for it , unless they've come up with something I'm not aware of. With the volume of wheeling and dealing going on along with easy as shipping is, I'll bet it's bouncing around more than ever.

Best of luck with your remaining animals .... hope this nightmare is finally over for you.

Originally Posted by caffeinecynic

I'm so sorry you're going through this.

Can I ask if they told you what type of crypto it was that your snakes had? I know of a case of cryptosporidium varanii in hognose snakes (I have asked the individual to post about their experience), but not serpentis.

I'm wondering if maybe the cases are connected. I do know that the other case came from a different seller, but the hognose community is so interconnected that finding patient 0 is important.

Unfortunately the necropsy doesn't state which variant of cryptosporidium this snake had. That is a very interesting study and after reading it, I'll be sure to test for both in the future!

Animal Genetics.us has a PCR that can differentiate species if you ever want to test through them.

I have diagnosed multiple snakes (corns and hognose) with crypto that originated from multiple bug name collections and PetCo using acid fast stain of heat fixed direct fecal smears of feces. Once symptomatic, they shed huge numbers of cysts. Based on the sizes of these cysts, I highly suspect "serpentis" as the species.

In corns it causes the severe stomach swelling but in hognose, just causes severe wasting in what I've seen.

Thanks Karin.

This is copied from my post on Page 9 of Dan Krulls Alterna Rush thread.. it has some nice tidbits..
Several years ago I went through something similar with Joe and his partners , I would like to point out that Joe does not own a pet store, is not a Biology teacher ,nor is married, I really doubt he is even allowed to see his kids, but that's a whole different story)..lol this email below and what transpired shows you the great length this guy and his friends will go to get what they want.. I was burned 10-15k in animals. What Karen went through I can testify to. She is brave and obviously a great friend!!


Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:06:32 -0700
From: josephschmidt81@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Message about: Hognose Collection for Sale
To: jreptiles4@hotmail.com
Man=\ I had my wife take the day off tomorrow to be here for the animals. She works for the state and taking off another day isn't an option.this should make her good and fired up. I'm a biology teacher and run a specialty reptile store taking off a day is imposible this time of year especially with finals and breeding. Ill figure out a way to have someone here even if i need to have my worker close the store untill they arrival. Please send them out tomorrow for Friday. I need them as I stated.Thanks. On another note this arm break is more of an issue then we expected and I am going to unfortunatly have to pass on the axanthic male. as much as I need him i just can't do it with this now on the table. Would you please send the extra 100 sent through Paypal back?
Regards-Joe
Sent from my iPhone


Greggs

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=292765

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-----Original Message-----
From: cfuchs1 <cfuchs1@wi.rr.com>
To: Asnakemann <asnakemann@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2012 9:23 am
Subject: Re: settle up



Sorry for not having a chance to call yet. Work has been pretty hectic the past
nine weeks and required some long days. If I don't get home at a decent time
tonight or tomorrow, I will call Saturday for sure.

Thanks,
Chad

---- Asnakemann <asnakemann@aol.com> wrote:
> call anytime, if I'm up I'll get it if not the phone will be on my desk and It
wont bother us if were asleep
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cfuchs1 <cfuchs1@wi.rr.com>
> To: Asnakemann <asnakemann@aol.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 9:05 am
> Subject: Re: settle up
>
>
> Sorry I didn't call last night, go stuck at the office. How late can I call
you?
> Thanks,
> had
> ---- Asnakemann <asnakemann@aol.com> wrote:
> 817.305.3609
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cfuchs1 <cfuchs1@wi.rr.com>
> To: Asnakemann <asnakemann@aol.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2012 9:35 am
> Subject: Re: settle up
>
>
> Good Morning,
> Thank you for the email. Shoot me your # and I will call tonight or tomorrow
> ight and get things figured out.
> Thanks,
> had
> ---- Asnakemann <asnakemann@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> I emailed Joe a couple months ago to have you contact me directly about the
> nake issue. Did you get the message?
>
> I'm willing to work something out with you but I want to explain my position

> st. I wholsaled as is, as a favor 4 outstanding red n purple conda's poss
het
> > lbino for 1/2-1/3 there going rate, they were only a few weeks old weighed
> aybe 5-10g each if that, Were they shipped from 1. me to u , 2 then to your
> roker, 3then exported 4 deliverd to your customer all without being fed 1st?
> s
> his true? That's a pretty rough trip especially the exporting part. They had
> nly a few meals before I shipped that's all! The series of trips and time
> pent, is enough to stress them to the point of not feeding etc.. Unless I am

> issing something I am at a loss to why you are holding me responsible when
the
> > nakes have been through so many hands,places and even resold etc? I was not
> old what these animals would be subjected too and I am not surprised a bit
you
> > ad problem with them if this is actually what took place. They should of
been
> eld till fed and if that wasnt possible returned to me for a swap or refund.
> ut then again we havnt spoken directly either so I dont know what guarentees
> ou were given. I certainly dont offer guarantees other then live arrival and
> ed 3x when it comes to wholesale , I dont ship animals that havnt fed period.

>
> ent very nice animals to impress certainly didnt expect this.
>
> Another thing that continues to bother me...
> last year I bought 1.3 aneries supposedly from you , I recieved the
opposite
> > .1 with a deformed male. I was made to pay a premium for the female head
> ount,
> ithin minutes of recieving the animals I sent pics and notice that I would be

> hipping them back immediatly and needed a refund(I did return one to Joe
> irectly). Was basically told to keep them, that it would be made right.. I
had
> > o wait a year, take a "settlement" buy some hypos then return one and then
> oose the replacement, dissapoint my own customers for a second time etc..
> Why was I stiffed on shipping , in regards to the hypo sexing mistake..it's
> ot much but I dont think I should pay for your sexing mistake, I was told
that
> > would get a payment that never came and I mentioned it agian and no
payment,
> t's just a small amount but combined with whats going on it just makes things

> ore awkward. I lost the hypo you sent in the trade out, when I complained
that
> > oth werent feeding to Joe I was told that it had no guarantees and was
> traight
> ut of the egg..same hypo's I had to pay for to get back part of my anery
> redit? Then weeks later I am told I owe you money for animals not feeding??
> his double standard sucks man and is a hard thing for me to get past here.
> So if you'd like to work on this great, I'll send you two conda's this
> eason
> nd will expect a hypo in return. But I am unable to do anything if there's no

> ay for us to communicate.
>
>
> Also convey the below to Joe , I dont think it is possible to talk with him
> ithout fighting. And doing business with him just gets me into trouble with
> eople due to the "middleman " aspect , so to avoid this in the future I would

> ike him to send back my animals that are on loan. After the 10k in free
> nimals
> gave him last season and all I done for him in the past he shouldn't have a
> roblem returning my property in a civil manner with no arguing or insults.
>
> 0.1 red het hypo I sent on breeding loan that didnt produce last year, deal
> as for one year to his red hypo male he has no right to "demand to keep it
for
> > second year just because it slugged his 1st try"
>
> 1.1 tricolors I sent on loan + my part of any babies that were hatched out
>
> 1.0 mexican hog on loan I caught
>
> mine and my wife CD's we left at his house, would be nice if he would mail
> hem
>
> He knows the address will paypal shipping when I get a notice that there
> eing
> hipped.
>
>
> All the Best,
> Justin
>
Chad never calls or writes back..then short time letter I get this email from Joe
telling me he sold the Jag project I sent to him ON BREEDER LOAN to Gregg Madden and he basically kept all my snakes I sent him on loan or sold them over 10k

From: Joseph Schmidt <josephschmidt50@aol.com>
Date: January 31, 2012 4:37:28 AM PST
To: Asnakemann <asnakemann@aol.com>
Subject: Re:

I sold half of the jag project to greg because I am trying to consolidate my projects. ( I just have so damn many)

He is fully aware that the arrangement with us and those animals is that you get half of the first clutch from each female as well as if he outcrosses the males. Even down to the point of you getting first picks on the baby's.

And you know that I lost that female don't be rediculace and start pulling shit like that because we are cighting what are you freaking 7??

The reason I didn't want to go look for her is because I had no idea where she was.

I drove from Reno till I was beat ass tired pulled over and got a hotel room cashin the middle of the night(just like we did a few times) about 11/2 away from the show.there is no way in hell I could have navigated back to where I was or lost her. I have explained this to you multiple times.





-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg Madden <greggmmadden@hotmail.com>
To: Justin extreme hogs <asnakemann@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 1:03 am
Subject: Jag project.






Firstly, they were not bred last season. Secondly, you will not be getting anything from Joe or myself. I asked Joe about this email you sent. He said there was a deal prior to you ripping him and Chad Fuchs off for some condas. So, being that you never made good on your end of that deal, I gather you and Joe are squared up. You get to keep the condas you never made good on and Joe and myself will keep our Jags. Whatever deal you and Joe had, has nothing at all to do with me. And why you would think you would have first pick on animals that I raised up and that I worked to breed is beyond me. Do not contact me again unless you are looking to buy some Jags.

Have a good one...

Gregg





via Facebook from Alicia Maria Ogram Quoting Gregg..this is the source of Greggs quotes..



"See, now that is where the BS starts. The Jags were given to Joe for some condas. It was a breeding loan trade off. Justin sold the condas out from under Joe so Joe kept the Jags as payment. Then Joe sold me half of the Jag project and I eventually bought the rest out."



"-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg Madden <greggmmadden@hotmail.com>
To: Justin extreme hogs <asnakemann@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 1:03 am
Subject: Jag project.






Firstly, they were not bred last season. Secondly, you will not be getting anything from Joe or myself. I asked Joe about this email you sent. He said there was a deal prior to you ripping him and Chad Fuchs off for some condas. So, being that you never made good on your end of that deal, I gather you and Joe are squared up. You get to keep the condas you never made good on and Joe and myself will keep our Jags. Whatever deal you and Joe had, has nothing at all to do with me. And why you would think you would have first pick on animals that I raised up and that I worked to breed is beyond me. Do not contact me again unless you are looking to buy some Jags.

Have a good one...

Gregg"



"From: greggmmadden@hotmail.com
To: extremehogs@live.com
Subject: BOI thread???
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:51:58 -0400




I knew you would not start one. That is because you are aware that I know the entire REAL story behind the animals you SOLD to Joe. So, here is the deal. I own the entire project now. Joe did not want any snakes from your collection in his anymore and gave the rest of the project to me. Justin. I am not giving you a single snake. I do not owe you anything. You are not entitled to anything I produce. I never made a deal with you. However, I would be more than happy to sell you some jags at SLIGHTLY discounted price.

I realize you tend to get a bit pissed off when people do better than you in certain projects. But really Justin, it is not a reason to stomp your feet and throw a tantrum like some little kid who cant get his way. "

A scam he pulled on someone using my name!! Seems to be a favorite pastime, burn someone then blame it on me.


In a message dated 1/23/2010 8:23:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, josephschmidt50@aol.com writes:

i wish we didnt hate eachother i really miss being your friend and bsing about hogs. maybe in the future some day we can talk or be cool again. if you think there is some one i owe for what ever reason tell me and ill make good no questions asked. i have talked with nathan and patricia and am sending them some very compensatable animals for the anaconda mess as soon as the wether gets better.
again im sorry thing went this way. i accept full responcibility for my part.

Stiffed them anyways!!

From: nathaniel777@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 06:11:06 -0400
To: extremehogs@live.com

I apologize if it was Joe that ripped us off. He never talked to me or my wife about sending any snakes and he never sent any. In fact I never heard from him again. So, he never gave you the $1000.00 I sent him? He's the main reason I don't trust anyone (to buy snakes from) that I don't know or that someone hasn't vouched for. Thanks for sending me the email. - Nathan.

On Aug 5, 2014, at 12:21 PM, "Justin Mitcham" <extremehogs@live.com> wrote:

No he didn't , Joe owed me a considerable amount at the time, I still have the emails to prove it , he wanted to go in half on an anaconda hognose.. I paid for it in full and he stiffed me on his half. I told him for months that if he didn't pay he doesn't get any of the babies. He never paid. If you ever decide to do a BOI on him I'll back you up.
If you send me your address I'll send you out a conda I know there not worth 1k .. but something is better than nothing.
All The best
Justin

>
Wed 8/6/2014, 9:10 AM
Hey Justin, I can't stand it when you give someone the benefit of the doubt, put them on the owe list and they have the nerve to stiff you. Joe told me you were looking for a third person to go into the anaconda hognose project with, that each of us would put in a thousand dollars and within two years me and Joe would get one anaconda male het for extreme red albino and two normal looking females het for extreme red albino. I'm assuming now that you probably knew nothing about that and that Joe kept my involvement from you. I wanted to send the $1000.00 directly to you but Joe insisted that I send it to him and he would send it to you. He said that's the way you wanted it so that's what I did. I don't know what he did with that money. I really appreciate your willingness to send me an Anaconda but you are in no way obligated to clean up Joe's mess and I certainly don't expect you to, that's really going above and beyond and that's rare these days. If you still want to, I won't forget it and be eternally grateful,

So lets recap..

Years ago when Joe burned Nathan and Patricia ,he claimed I needed help paying for the Anaconda project.. when I paid for it in full!!Truth is it was Joe who needed help ,wanted in and in the end he never paid me! He then scammed Nathan and Patricia who did pay him!!, BUT instead of paying me with it he kept it..Later when I hatched animals he threw a fit. Told his friends , same ones who burned me later , that I did him wrong??

Then Chad screwed me on 1.3 axanthics..that came in a deformed 3.1 and Later he claims that 2 of the 700 condas died after he sold them to someone else overseas.
I was willing to work something out with him due to professional courtesy but he avoided speaking with me for some reason. Later it is used as an excuse to to burn me out of several k in animals by Gregg Madden who justified buying my animals because I burned Chad??Huh??
Did Joe also sell the adult female Jag that was "lost at the hotel" as well?? Easy 1500-2k femal at that time.. probably!!

This same group of guys then make sure to blast me on forums and online pages any chance they get. I admit at the time I had very little experience handling drama and didn't handle it as best as I could of and I regret that. But what I don't regret is the decision to not associate or have anything to do with this clique...So, I just let Joe be Joe and figured basically something like this would happen and it did!! And guess what.. my customers and I still have our collections.

Today Karin is going through the same drama . I am sure Joe will get his friends to blame her for helping him,maybe even talk one into ripping her off down the road...same as was done to me. She is a great and trusting friend who will overcome this and go far just like I had to!!
Also
One thing Joe probably never told anyone is that his animals were cared and housed at Wonderful World Pet Suppliers a large import /export wholesale facility when he broke his leg (sound familiar).. this place has a lot of WC etc and I doubt they clean for crypto..So if you wonder how a hognose can acquire it then I would look at that. Not saying that it came from them but it is very possible, Joe use to catch Nevada chucks, collards etc and wholesale them.

Originally Posted by KBenker

I'm in the process of notifying Joe

Originally Posted by Beyond GenetiX

I let Chad Fuchs know about it.

One would think that they would respond to this very serious thread.