Ashley Caspillo-SakaraGT4/Sakara *Possible Buyer Beware!*

Originally Posted by reticguy76

and to add, i do believe that if a lab report from submitted tissue comes back, sample analysis is consistent with ibd, i believe that that animal has it and all proper actions should be taken with the rest of that collection (should there be one).

Agreed wholeheartedly.

Your words Ryan...

"im still not fully sold that it is "truely contagious" "


My words...Contagious.
By contagious, I mean something that spreads rapidly. I believe that's how it's used medically as well, although with bigger words involved. Be it the flu, laughter, or IBD, they are contagious, they can spread, and they can spread fast.

Why else would we agree so much on the precautions and measures you must take if you suspect or know it's in your collection? And for the most part, not all of it, I agree with what you have said. Just figured being in the vet field for so long, you woulda known the word.

Anyway, I've had 3 very good friends that have had to destroy their collections due to IBD, and how quickly and easily it spread to uninfected animals. Hell, BW Smith practices better quarantine then some vet clinics I've seen, and it got by him, and infected his whole collection save one animal!

I'll have to stick with definitely contagious.

Anyway, I've had 3 very good friends that have had to destroy their collections due to IBD, and how quickly and easily it spread to uninfected animals. Hell, BW Smith practices better quarantine then some vet clinics I've seen, and it got by him, and infected his whole collection save one animal!

I remember reading about BW's experience, and his, as well as Adrya's cases are what has driven me to start this thread. I think we all know SOMEONE who has managed to unwittingly purchase a less-than ideally healthy animal.

I'll admit I was upset when I first learned there was a report indicating IBD and all the evidence to show QT was lax, and Ashley was conducting business as usual.
I originally chalked it up to ignorance, assuming she just didn't realize the seriousness of the situation.

At this point, I feel it's relatively safe to say she's been adequately informed, and IMO it's inexcusable to continue the sales/breeding projects, and act like there's no problem on an assumption.
Maybe there isn't IBD. I really hope not..if there IS, there could be a LOT to answer for.

Since she seems to have no intentions of removing ads, is still proceeding with breeding, and intending to vend at shows, the only thing I suppose that can be done, is to direct people here and let them make their own decisions.

With all due respect to the nature of the conversation, and it's relativity to the thread, I think things are straying too far from the topic of this thread. The BOI is not the place for an in depth discussion of IBD.

ummmm... I did remove ads? If I missed any somewhere then I must have forgot I posted them elsewhere... and I already said I pulled all my breedings? and obviously won't be vending since I don't have any breedings now... So yea... If I missed one, I'll have to see where it was

and also... IF I should be canceling all my breedings and such, as I have, and going to be testing my animals and Kyle's animals when Dr. Jacobson's student comes back in January, should Yvonne not do the same? She is still breeding her animals with the intent to sell them this year... So I feel it's only fair to make notice of that as well... I mean, if I'm in the "spot light" shouldn't she be as well since her animals were with mine and breeding with mine? I don't know if that should be a separate thread or not? But just pointing that out there

Originally Posted by SakaraGT4

and also... IF I should be canceling all my breedings and such, as I have, and going to be testing my animals and Kyle's animals when Dr. Jacobson's student comes back in January, should Yvonne not do the same? She is still breeding her animals with the intent to sell them this year... So I feel it's only fair to make notice of that as well... I mean, if I'm in the "spot light" shouldn't she be as well since her animals were with mine and breeding with mine? I don't know if that should be a separate thread or not? But just pointing that out there

Addressing the statement that you "removed all the ads"'

It appears you've only removed the 2 Fauna ads, and there are several others scattered on various forums and CL.

NONE of those animals should have been offered for sale in the FIRST PLACE. As soon as that snake died, you should have taken proper precautions to secure your collection.

Yvonne (boachick17) should DEFINITELY do the same.

However, I don't KNOW Yvonne, or what forums she frequents.

Yvonne wasn't called out, because I never saw her post a necropsy indicating IBD and conducting business as usual, while pics showing lax QT were posted about.

It's not even clear whether Yvonne actually KNEW about the suspicion of IBD or not PRIOR to pairing her snake with yours, and bringing in her animals.
If there's not PROOF that she was aware of the possibility of IBD in your collection beforehand, and she winds up with issues, that could be another whole problem.

YOUR actions of selling/breeding snakes AFTER receiving a report showing IBD are costing a LOT of people a LOT of worry and inconvenience, and possibly money.
After reading all the contradictions, if I had one of your snakes, I wouldn't trust your "word" none came back with problems.
I would get my animals tested myself.

You better HOPE your assumption "they are all healthy, because the Pythons didn't die off" is correct.
IMO there was too much at risk to base on an assumption.

Why is Ashley tryong shine the so called Spotlight as she puts it, of on another person? I am sure she never told Yvonne that she had a case of IBD and had other snakes die. I am glad this came out as it sounds like ashley is all about money and not about the well being of her animals and others.

As far as I can tell, in the year following Yvonne's alleged breeding attempt with one of your snakes SHE hasn't had ANY deaths unlike YOU. Stop trying to bump the spotlight off yourself, this is a thread about you. Your mistakes, your bad judgement.

It irritates me that you keep trying to get other people in trouble to get people to leave you alone. First it was someone that was posting to try and merely help you that you jumped on, now a person you are angry at because she owes you money?

I would just like to clarify a couple things.

Do I think bid is contagious, deep down in my heart, yes. But it's not proven enough to show that. Reptile medicine just hasn't had the luxury and funds to do the extensive research that has been done in dog/cat and large animal medince. Hence, I'm not 100% sold that its contagious. My personal thought on this and what it actual is, are two different things. I've just seen too many potential conflicts in research up til now, at least, make me believe, without a doubt, it's purely snake to snake contagious.

Now, back to the topic at hand, I wonder how many of the potential ibd carrying snakes have been sold and if any of those buyers have seen anything or are trying to get refunds