Who is "THE" source for leopard gecko genetics?

It tend to agree with you, Chris. I had several hatch last year that looked very similar to the baby you have pictured, and they were from my stripe male (in previous photo link) and a normal, banded, high-yellow female. Although I did get a few bandeds from them, they all had some form of abberant patterning and at least partial jungle tails. The female I am using (also pictured in link) with this male this year was bred to a classic jungle (broken neck-band & marbled tail) male last year, and all offspring were jungles.

i find it hard to believe that Ron Tremper would lie about the giant gene being recessive (especially for a few years, being as people have had plenty of time to prove him wrong, yet he continues to stand by hisa statements that they are from a recessive gene)... if you read THIS it explains they are without a doubt a recessive gene (according to Ron Tremper). A & M gecko breeds GIANTS...maybe they could shed some light on the subject seeing as they have actually bred there own from Ron Trempers stock.

The way i see it... my babies average about 2.7 or so grams a piece... moose was born at 14 grams...and the two i recieved from Ron Tremper are now only a little over a month old and weighed 20 something grams (i cant remember the exact weight right now but its in the 20s) when i got them. im convinced that mine are giants, and until its proven otherwise i believe it is recessive.

as far as stripes... i just hope that my line that i have is recessive, but seeing as it was picked from a group of partial stripes and jungles, i highly doubt it. i still stand by the statement that jungle is just an unstabilized stripe. but i do believe that there are recessive lines of stripe out there based on all the evidence given by kelli and others.

heres Odin my carrot head giant albino at about 1 month of age.

...that Steve Sykes is the guy to talk to about Leopard Gecko genetics because not only is he formally educated in the subject, but he also works with giants. If he doesn't know something, he will say so, and he has a very objective approach to these kinds of questions. Although I do not believe Ron Tremper would blatantly lie, I still feel he does not always give out all the information. After all, he is RT, and it gives him an edge on the industry as well as adds to his "mystique." LOL!!!

The giant has been proven to be co-dominant. Therefore it shows when it is het in an intermediary stage. For example-

GG-phenotypically normal
Gg-Phenotypic intermediary (middle of the road)
gg-Phenotypically recessive (Most extreme representation of gene)

Therefore, your giant may actuall be just a giant (Gg) rather than a super giant (gg). Also, the problem with tripple crossing geckos is the low yield, it would be odds of approx. 1/64 for them to come out triple recessive. Furthermore, if there are too many recessive genes shown in an animal phenotypically it often times can cause death and/or infertility (such as some albino milksnakes). Additionaly, the odds are 1/64 on paper, but actually much lower than that depending on the compatability of the three genes. The more genes that you have the more likely that the alleles that control the trait will be in close proximity on the chromosome. When crossing over then occurs they are likely to go together, creating hets rather than showing both traits. This is why blazing bliz. are so hard to get. For a giant blazing bliz, I would guess the odds of it hatching out at about 1/1000 at best. However, patternless albinos would be much more likely due to the patternless high compatability with albinism. What sex is your gecko diablo? It really is yet to be shown how compatible the giant is with anything but albinos.
As for the jungle and stripes, they are an expression of the same gene. They are entirely line bred. Neither is dominant over the other. For example, breed to jungles together, two stripes together, and one to the other. The babies of the ones bred together will fall in between the others phenotypically. As far as I know here is the rundown on leo traits-

Line bred
Carrot tail
Hi-yellow
Stripe
Jungle
Hypo
Circle back
Carrot head
Hyper-melanistic
Speckled
Chocolate albino
Snow
Many of the color morphs are also determined by other factors such as diet, incubation temps., and environmental temps. during development.
(I feel like I'm forgetting something...)

Simple recessive
Albino (all three)
Patternless
Blizzard

Co-Dominant
Genetic snow
Giant

Unsure/unproven
Red-eyed (RAPTOR) (I would guess line bred)
RAPTOR patternless (I assume simple recessive)

I think thats about it, at least all that I can think of at 6:00 in the morning. So there you have it.

I just got my first stripe a couple of months ago. I got him from Garrick. He's got a striped body and tail and is het for tremper albino. I got him to breed with my bells.

Has anyone worked with Garrick's stripes. How do they "behave"?

My original patternless male from Golden Gecko occaisionally fathers jungles with some of my patternless hets. I bred one of these jungle females to a PA with no jungle in his history and a fair number of the babies exhibited very abberrent body patterns, and one came out jungle (unfortuneately most of these babies were dead in the egg due to a temp spike). I also had some jungle babies (also dead in egg from same temp spike) from a VMS blizzard x Aherns abberrent bell cross. This makes me think, that jungle is not simple recessive, at least in the lines I've worked with.

I created a couple of punnett's squares last year. The first square shows the result of a Patternless X Albino. P = normal pattern, p = patternless, A = normal pigmentation, a = albino. The capital letters denote dominant traits. The second square shows the result of a double het patternless albino cross.

-Alice

On top, are the genotypes of the parent. On the axis of the square are to all or the potential genetic combinations that the offspring can receive from each parent.

When blizzards and bannana blizzards (back when yellow bllizzards were thought to be patternless blizzard) were first announced I used to sit doing squares of triple het patternless, blizzard, and albino... Those got a bit tedious

-Alice

Originally Posted by 1derfool

If you want a simple way to calculate the outcome, go to the Leopard Gecko Genetics Calculator Just select the trait(s) for each parent, and get the possible results.
If the trait you're looking for isn't in that list, it's selective/line bred.

Am I the only one who gets sent to a porn site when clicking this link?

No dude, it happened when I clicked it too.

Originally Posted by mindcrash

Am I the only one who gets sent to a porn site when clicking this link?

The question to ask is are you the only one who clicked "enter"


Pretty amusing, actually, that leopard gecko sites are popular enough that these porn sites are buying up expired domains.

Originally Posted by E2MacPets

The question to ask is are you the only one who clicked "enter"


Pretty amusing, actually, that leopard gecko sites are popular enough that these porn sites are buying up expired domains.

Damn! Busted!