Ed Clark Where are you?

Originally Posted by brucestephenson

Emily Cook sent you bad crested geckos? Maybe she should change her name to Emily Crook. I think she owes Daniel the crested geckos based on the 10 month warranties she and her lynch mob seem to expect. It is only fair.

Thats not the way of the jedi, fat guy. Lay down the playgirl magazine and read the jedi manual again.

Maggie, what were you suggesting?

This thread has already taken a bad turn. I dont know how anything could ever be resolved here!

Dont worry about me honoring my word to Daniel, I will. thats just the way I fly!

Wes, let me ask you a question. what happens when you and your Toadies run everyone off this site?

Do you next turn on one another?

Originally Posted by LakesideBoas

Ed, does my suggestion sound like it would work for you two? The OP has been ominously silent...we didn't scare him away, did we?

Originally Posted by Ed Clark

Wes, let me ask you a question. what happens when you and your Toadies run everyone off this site?

If you're going to tuck tail and run, just go. Don't tease me.

That might make me mad and then I might stop playing nice with you.

You're a lying sack of snot mr. clark. You know it. I know it. Even the bopsie twins know it.

IF you are now alluding that Emily sent you normals that died, you are just a bloody damn scumbag. Well, you are anyway, but I can't say what I really think because I now strive to adhere to the rules.

And why is it that you lock all your ads again? I seem to have missed your answer.

Originally Posted by Ed Clark

Maggie, what were you suggesting?

This thread has already taken a bad turn. I dont know how anything could ever be resolved here!

Dont worry about me honoring my word to Daniel, I will. thats just the way I fly!

Wes, let me ask you a question. what happens when you and your Toadies run everyone off this site?

Do you next turn on one another?

You screw everything up so well and so naturally that you could work the takeout window at any McDonald's. Did you know that?

When you and your fellow choad chugging pals are run off this site it will be a terrific place for everyone.

Originally Posted by cookreptiles

e-mail correspondence for the transaction is as follows, with the most relevant items highlighted in red:


From: Ed Clark Ball Pythons
To: emily@cookreptiles.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:01 PM
Subject: trade

Emily,hi. sure I would be interested in trading some bps for cresteds, not looking for tiny babies. have a couple of 06 male pastels, some 05 hold back females that i produced last year. I do alot of pastels,mojaves,spiders and end up with alot of normals.which is ok with me. looking for 1.5 right now.all different colors if possible.may do a larger trade after yhis one.the females that i have are in the 250-350 gram range.I still have more than I want to keep and can send you some pics.heres a couple that I grabbed out of the baby rack.what kind of value do you put on the 1.5 group?

ps all my stuff is as clean as you will find.
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Emily Cook <emily@cookreptiles.com> wrote:
Hi Ed,

Your females look good! I would love to get my hands on a mojave or spider male but that may have to wait until you want to do a larger trade.

The value of a 1.5 group depends entirely on the animals and their individual worth. An nice 1.5 group would be worth about $700 while a more high end group would be more like $900, so it just depends on what you are looking for, but I can easily put together a mixed group of colors/morphs and unrelated geckos for you. I have both males and females but most of my females are not breeding age/weight yet. Most of my available females are in the 5-9 month old range so some of them should be ready by the beginning of '07 if that works for you.

Thanks!
Emily

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From: Ed Clark Ball Pythons
To: Emily Cook
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: trade

Emily.put togeather a group of 1.5 older ones for 700.00 send to; ed clark
[address removed]
i will photo some nice females(2005's) and start sending you pics. for you to choose from. a fair trade would be me sending you 6 captive bred females.
I will pay shipping on my end. fedex
you pay to ship the geckos to me.
im really expecting some nice geckos for the 6 ball pythons.
if this trade goes well, I have plenty of mojaves and spiders.
if you want to check me out. fauna classifieds, boi. user name ED CLARK

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Emily Cook <emily@cookreptiles.com> wrote:
Hi Ed,

I just got finished feeding and cleaning gecko cages and picked out a nice 1.5 group for you. The male is a nicely structured patternless red and unrelated to the females. The females are an assortment of morphs and colors. I have louped all of the females to check for pre-anal pores and at this time they show none, but just in case one of them does turn out to be male (I am 99% sure they are all females) as does happen from time to time with cresteds I will send you a replacement female free of charge. All I ask is that you send me a photo of the gecko showing that is has in fact turned out to be a male. Basically this just offers both you and I protection, so that you get a correctly sexed gecko regardless, and so that I have to opportunity to fix things should a gecko turn out male after several months with you. While it isn't likely that this will happen, with crested geckos every once in a while a male will develop late and throw things off.

Emily

Remember this mr. clark?

Wow, what an interesting twist you put on this Ed! So now you say that the geckos that you sent Daniel were some of the same geckos that you traded me for the CH ball pythons? Convenient, but must be mistaken--I did not send you any normals, but a very nice group of morphs (a very nice pair of reds, harleys, a yellow tiger, etc.). I don't breed normals nor do I own any (for any non-crested people, a normal is a brown, buckskin colored gecko).

Daniel, what exactly happened to the geckos in question? From what has been said it sounds like they died? Do you have any photos of the geckos in question? Did you have necropsies done on the geckos to determine the cause of death?

Regardless of all this, it sounds like the root of the problem may be the fact that Ed was unresponsive to Daniel's attempts at communication. That does not surprise me, however, once again, perhaps this entire thread could have been avoided had Ed communicated with the OP.

Originally Posted by cookreptiles

Wow, what an interesting twist you put on this Ed! So now you say that the geckos that you sent Daniel were some of the same geckos that you traded me for the CH ball pythons? Convenient, but must be mistaken--I did not send you any normals, but a very nice group of morphs (a very nice pair of reds, harleys, a yellow tiger, etc.). I don't breed normals nor do I own any (for any non-crested people, a normal is a brown, buckskin colored gecko).

Daniel, what exactly happened to the geckos in question? From what has been said it sounds like they died? Do you have any photos of the geckos in question? Did you have necropsies done on the geckos to determine the cause of death?

Regardless of all this, it sounds like the root of the problem may be the fact that Ed was unresponsive to Daniel's attempts at communication. That does not surprise me, however, once again, perhaps this entire thread could have been avoided had Ed communicated with the OP.

Stop trying to change the subject and explain your geckos that you traded to Ed that later died. Are you going to compensate Ed for them or not?

Originally Posted by brucestephenson

Stop trying to change the subject and explain your geckos that you traded to Ed that later died. Are you going to compensate Ed for them or not?

Ed said the OP got normal cresties.

Emily did not send Ed any normal cresties.

Apparently, not only does Ed have no idea what he sent Emily, he has no idea what animals Emily sent him, or what animals he sent the OP.

Or maybe he's just lying through his teeth again.

Originally Posted by LakesideBoas

Ah, so he agreed to you shipping them when you felt they were ready and now is whining because he doesn't have them yet?

WELL, why didn't you say that then!

Perhaps if he agrees to your sending him updates on their progress at reasonable intervals, say once a week or so, then this thread can sink to the bottom until they are shipped. It's starting to get colder now and they may not be able to be shipped until the weather warms up. You should remind him of that also as you are not in charge of the weather.

I was referring to this post that you may have missed with all the "farce"...ummm...I mean "force" flying around.

I am confuzzled, that's my usual state of being.

Originally Posted by brucestephenson

Stop trying to change the subject and explain your geckos that you traded to Ed that later died. Are you going to compensate Ed for them or not?

bruce, if you insist on this stupidty you will do no service to mr. clark and further damage to yourself.

Please stop. This is also off topic for this thread. Start another thread if you feel the need but do not continue this here.