RICK LEVEROCK.... CONMAN......

Something tells me an IP check is in order here.

BTW, arguing on the internets is like competing in the special olympics.

Jeff, Steve, yeah, sounds like a similar situation to sending money to one's "wife's" paypal account for anything.

Note to self: If the person I am sending money to is not the same person I am buying from, stay the hell away.

This thing seems pretty straight forward Rick took money and didn't provide the service he was paid for. He owes the money or one could say he stole the money.

Now add in Rick's little minions the yes brats, that are so together they can't even figure out that the name they sign their post with doesn't match the name their account is registered under. And what's with so many of them being Steve ? did you all go the the same class in "How to make a False Internet Id's for Idiots 010"

Folks like one of your nimrod brethren said above this is here for ever or until the site goes bye bye which will be a long while. Do you really want anyone doing a search on your name (yeah they are false names but I bet there are more than a few folks who know just who you are) anyway you are now linked to the BS you posted above in other words for the real slow on the up take You are supporting a thief !! Doing a piss poor job of it but you are supporting someone known to have done very bad things to the pooch.


Rick if these yo yo's are the best you can come up with your screwed... Randy

Originally Posted by boidsR'mylife

Hi, this is my first time posting on fauna and it will be my one and only posting on this thread. I have known both Mike, Rick, and Neil Golli for years now and purchased reptiles from all three names listed. I have also received a 6 foot female Albino Burmese Python for free to raise up from Rick over the last 3 months to breed to my male through Ricks free adoption program and she is remarkable. All three individuals are brilliant and I am sure Mike would more than likely agree that all 3 have excellent reputations at any Florida Show there is including the National and International Shows held in Daytona and Tampa.


Now I will comment on my knowledge knowing him in person, as a customer, and a loyal member to his site. It truly seems all in question messed up in this alleged incident so far from my understanding displayed in the members only meeting held online in which all but only ONE has actually disagreed with Rick to some degree and that would explain the Moderators on their knowledge that Mike questioned. Regarding snake5007, the other thread brought up, Gary and John who has a fan club on fauna had a personal issue that was not spoke about. The thread was nothing more than a waste on web space. Fauna and the fan club within has not even came close to hurting Rick and I do not predict this one will either. Even if the agreement comes to a head in a positive resolution as stated in the post made by CaseyM, On her comment regarding speaking loud in respect would not offer online public resettlement since it would be permanent thread. If a agreement came to a head, it should be deleted however it will not be.


Some areas I will now bring up from the online meeting for all parties in the wrong. I will start with Pay Pal and work on down the line. From the online members only meeting, a few members stated that after 45 Days upon purchase of anything online, Pay Pal steps out of any possible action and all they can do is request a settlement between parties. Also it was brought up on pay pal, that records are deleted after a certain time frame and I believe it is a year, a company statute of limitations per say. Pay Pal also does not cover ANYTHING to do with live animals from the start of any transactions. Now lets take a look at CITIES and Mike Cole. It has come to my attention that Mike applied for CITIES while not having certain animals that he owned. Now I heard that the Importers and Exporters of the USA must have the animals and declare them per say as their own and that the fish and game could inspect them at the applicants place at anytime. Was there a signed agreement between Mike and Rick ? From what was reported, there was not. Was this Mikes first ever USA Federal mess up? NO...It was brought up on another case regarding Mike on having a unknown American Individual over in Africa hand picking ball pythons in which were intercepted by inspectors and taken in pending court proceedings. Resolutions to the matter is unknown. As a former buyer from Mike, I respect him, his knowledge and his animals. However on these two alleged export and import reports, maybe a investigation is warranted in falsifying government documents. Also I found it was interesting to hear regarding the alleged Woma that Mike assured parties in both America and the United Kingdom that he passed out legal womas in shipments before and after numerous attempts with a unknown number, he failed to be successful for what ever reason. Not once did Mike on this thread say anything on the delays do to the woma issues. To my knowledge from the meeting as well, Mike was allegedly paid as well a unknown amount out of the alleged reported order. Is that supposed to be refunded as well ?



Now on to CaseyM, Was there a contract of any type signed ? From what I gather, no there was not. From reports that were placed up online during the meeting with evidence then taken off for security legalities, CaseyM gave out personal information on Rick to unknown parties during the alleged woma delays clearance in which resulted in threats at all hours of the night by phone and a few e-mails that Rick himself received from 3 different locations, one being a American IP. Do to violence levels in the threatened e-mails observed online , these were reported to of been turned over to local police with IPs to assure protection during the alleged womas delay. Many steps were taken regarding relocating, phone and more. Rick is also wrong for lack of communication prior if that is the case earlier prior to the alleged woma delay, however after what was viewed in evidence of the threats just for the meeting, I could very well see why he chooses to speak with certain people to sort this, and he has the right to do so.


Pay Pal, Mike, Casey, and Rick seem to be wrong in not signing certifiable agreements and that Mike knowledgeably falsified the CITIES, American Federal Documents, a criminal offence in itself in the animals being his or in his possession. With the main people and pay pal issues here in my post, I do not feel the need to say anymore. Rick has advised all members and happy customers not to post on this thread in his defense and he could care less what is said resulting in certain settlements will be taking place soon. I apologized to Rick and I said I can't without bringing up certain issues one time and back off. If you all wish to keep this thread going, go ahead, more power to you. With that said, take care. And the members on the other site will just compare notes to discuss what is viewed here on the next scheduled meeting coming within this week on the other sites network, not fauna.

I havent read a single thing that changes the fact that Rick took over $6000 and didnt send the animals, hasnt contacted anyone with a good reason why and hasnt issued any refunds.

By the way, if i were you i wouldnt stake your reputation on Rick. You live in America, as ive recently discovered (and wish id found out nearly a year ago), you guys have it good when it comes to finding out about people.... costs a bit but its more than worth it.....

I will try to comment on some of the untruths and issues raised about myself and this situation which were obvious half baked attempts to de-rail this thread.
1
I Have and Had the breeders statements from the breeders for the animals which Rick was unable to supply to me properly. These breeders statements do infact transfer ownership of the afore mentioned animals to me. . I also had a verbal agreement with Rick to have the animals delivered to me . In Florida just in case you were not aware, A verbal agreement is a binding contract and in enforceable in a court of law if it can be proven with a preponderance of evidence.....
2
I never have had an African shipment seized or Held up or Animals removed from it In all of my importing career. The incident you are referring to happened to a person I buy a lot of animals from. He went to Africa on his own personal business. To Buy fancy Ball Pythons For himself.
I did buy many animals from him after the shipment was cleared. So again Your attempt to slander my name is untrue.
3
On the Womas. First I never have nor ever claimed to have exported Womas. I applied to export them on three occasions, all about the same time a this Incident. As I had produced my own and had foreign buyers interested in purchasing them.
All three applications to export them were rejected as neither I nor Kelly were able to supply documents back to Australia for our Woma stock, and unknown to me , if you want to export US CBB CITES animals that originated in Australia you must have this documentation.
on the final matter brought up.
4
I have never been asked for a refund.
A
I have lived up to what I said I would do.
B
I have with my own monies in fact pulled another CITES application to export my own animals to these poor people that have been removed of their money so that they can in fact be compensated somehow for their losses.Even though Not one of them has blamed me for any delays or issues resulting in their losing their money.
For the record. I would appreciate it if you ,whomever you really are, are going to post about private Chatrooms conversations or Post for Rick or anyone else as you obviously are , If you would at least post with your real name and information. As these are the rules of the BOI even though they are seldom enforced as not to trample on ones rights to say what one feels.

Iv no idea what the long post from boidrmylife actually means????? I cannot make head nor tail of it.... Sorry boidrmylife;-((((

What I am sure... is I paid £175 or $350 for an animal, which I am never going to recieve, and I have not been refunded.
Im sure that is a criminal offence.... to take monies for a goods or a service and then not provide said goods or service.

So my original posting still stands at this time......

I await with patience for my refund which Rick has assured me I will get by 20.4.08.

Denise

Now add in Rick's little minions the yes brats, that are so together they can't even figure out that the name they sign their post with doesn't match the name their account is registered under. And what's with so many of them being Steve ? did you all go the the same class in "How to make a False Internet Id's for Idiots 010"

Well Hell I like attention so lets make this thread about me , why not? Who cares if people get ripped thousands of dollars and the reptile industry gets ripped to shreds? Lets worry about a guy that has a different name in his signature...WooHoo!

Something tells me an IP check is in order here.

BTW, arguing on the internets is like competing in the special olympics.

Jeff, Steve, yeah, sounds like a similar situation to sending money to one's "wife's" paypal account for anything.

Note to self: If the person I am sending money to is not the same person I am buying from, stay the hell away.

IP Check? Heres your sign......24.196.125.33 WooHoo you happy?

Was I the one "selling" or "Ripping" people off? No! But keep the attention coming I guess..

Whats next?

Thank-You,
Jeff "Steve" Smith

Originally Posted by TheHerpinator

Something tells me an IP check is in order here.

BTW, arguing on the internets is like competing in the special olympics.

Jeff, Steve, yeah, sounds like a similar situation to sending money to one's "wife's" paypal account for anything.

Note to self: If the person I am sending money to is not the same person I am buying from, stay the hell away.

Just to clear this up..... My paypal payment was made to TB Exotics..... I was informed by Rick, that they are a husband wife team running a business.
Indeed if you check this thread http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=101399
Donna Leverock refers to the transaction in question as we, and us, all the way through.
Ironic actually, as Im now in the postition they were back then. I hope mine also has a favourable outcome.

There are many married couples running business,s in the Herptile Comminity, I didnt see this as anything unusual.
I even purchased and got exported, my first breeding male, from a famous (in the herp community) couple, back in 2003, who were wonderful to deal with.

Denise Milligan UK

Originally Posted by madamant

and???

I see you reading too! its not illegal to read on fauna!

No, but it is ILLEGAL to take someones money without sending the animals that they paid for. Are you still with Rick, by any chance?

Originally Posted by Denise29

Just to clear this up..... My paypal payment was made to TB Exotics..... I was informed by Rick, that they are a husband wife team running a business.
Indeed if you check this thread http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=101399
Donna Leverock refers to the transaction in question as we, and us, all the way through.
Ironic actually, as Im now in the postition they were back then. I hope mine also has a favourable outcome.

There are many married couples running business,s in the Herptile Comminity, I didnt see this as anything unusual.
I even purchased and got exported, my first breeding male, from a famous (in the herp community) couple, back in 2003, who were wonderful to deal with.

Denise Milligan UK

She uses the name Donna Rigby on her profile here.

I never once spoke to Casey on the organising of these animals, Rick and her talk for hours day after day after day..got on my nerves atually, between Casey and Rick they used my paypal to get money to Ricks bank or the said reptile supplier, I have had that paypal for years, never used it until then for their setup, NOT MINE! Ricks bank was then attached to my paypal account so it could be authorised or whatever they call it, Casey had copies of every transaction I got in my email as to where every cent went. All I was asked to do was take the payments and forward the paypal info to Casey.

So Denise I dont know where you get youre info that we run a business together, i'm just a chat admin, that is it...it was Rick and Casey who run this setup, I have never been attatched to any reptile business in selling reptiles, only reptiles I have sold has been in the UK my own personal collection I had.

All I know is this was all setup with Rick, Casey and a guy named Bob.

I was wrong to let my paypal be used, but how was I to know Adam Irwin would first mess payments about where they had to wait on refunds, and find another reptile supplier and that cites would take forever and then it go belly side up, I know ricks talked to a few people concerned and I really hope it gets sorted soon.

You can all go on accusing me I dont care, i'm not a breeder, im not a seller, so it has no effect on me at all, I just keep a few personal lizards.