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I should have been more specific.

I was referring to the FACTS being:
She sold snakes KNOWING FULL WELL THERE WAS A NECROPSY INDICATING IBD
She LIED to others about selling snakes AFTER receiving the IBD report
She LIED about tests she had done
She LIED about the # of snakes she has /had in her collection, and how many have died.
She LIED to Dr. Jacobson by omitting vital information regarding her snakes
She LIED about temperment, health, quarantine, and other aspects pertaining to her collection.
She sold mite infected snakes to Elizabeth & Rachel

Those were the facts I was referring to.

understood, and agreed

Under "Clinical Signs" in Dr. Jacobson's research paper states:
[quote]From the late 1970s and extending into the mid 1980s Burmese Pythons were the most common snake seen with IBD....*SNIP*... Beginning in the early 1990s more cases were diagnosed in boa constrictors in relation to Burmese and other pythons."

Since that was based on his clinical evaluations, I'd consider that fact. The cause was unknown, so that would be speculation, but the science is there to support that more cases of IBD are diagnosed in Boas now than in Pythons.

Rats...I hate not being able to Edit. :P

i understand, however, that is a small group of researchers evaluating, small numbers of snakes. i think its my nature (and from my field of work) to be precise. i dont like and agree with minimum researchers and research done and words/phrases used like, "it seems", "probably", etc. but, of course, that is getting into matter of perception and personal views on the subject.
i like and prefer researcers to use words like, "we know", "without a doubt", etc. there are so many things out there (medically), aside from ibd, that are probably true and accurate with different diseases and treatments, that research for, uses words like, "we believe", "we think", "seems like", etc, that i tend to leave open.

obviously there are many diseases, treatments, etc in world that are not definite and probably never will be, since research on some of those things have been goin on for decades, but the way my mind works, unless it is proven beyond a doubt and recorded by mulitple researchers that all come to the same findings, everything is open

Originally Posted by reticguy76

i understand, however, that is a small group of researchers evaluating, small numbers of snakes. i think its my nature (and from my field of work) to be precise. i dont like and agree with minimum researchers and research done and words/phrases used like, "it seems", "probably", etc. but, of course, that is getting into matter of perception and personal views on the subject.
i like and prefer researcers to use words like, "we know", "without a doubt", etc. there are so many things out there (medically), aside from ibd, that are probably true and accurate with different diseases and treatments, that research for, uses words like, "we believe", "we think", "seems like", etc, that i tend to leave open.

obviously there are many diseases, treatments, etc in world that are not definite and probably never will be, since research on some of those things have been goin on for decades, but the way my mind works, unless it is proven beyond a doubt and recorded by mulitple researchers that all come to the same findings, everything is open

And it is also my own nature to be precise also. I am a laboratory animal technician. It is the same thing you do, only I work in a research setting. It is in my nature to know how diseases work and how diseases manifest themselves in animals, but first and foremost, I know RESEARCH.

The paper we have to go on was written based on experiences with the virus. Those experiences are fact. Do not forget that Dr. Jacobson has MANY other vets forward their cases to him! Is that not considered a collective of fact to you?

All this talk of how we percieve things is irrelevent to this thread, though. I hope you understand the point I'm trying to make. "Fact" is a strong word for something studied so little, but you have to take into account that Dr. Jacobson's paper is a collective of possibly hundreds or thousands of different cases presented to him. This is how the disease is currently known to manifest itself.

i would like to say, though, this thread has been very enlightening to say the least. i agree with alot of what has been said in this thread, that being said, im just a person that prefers defintive answers or the most definitive answers we can get (with confidence) by mulitple researchers coming to the same conclusion beyond a doubt.

am i wrong or right ? neither, just my way of thinking.
are other people wrong or right for not thinking/being that way ? no, just other ways of thinking

to sum up, i belive ibd is real, bad, and can infect mulitple snakes in same general area.

is it spread through contact, i belive so, but nothing is fact (yet)
do pythons die quicker than boas once infected, i believe they do, but again, nothing is fact
do pythons die of different symptoms than boas, i believe so, but yet again, nothing is fact

until these and other questions are answered beyond a doubt and fully proven, all we can do as individuals is go with what our own thoughts and beliefs and instincts

Originally Posted by reticguy76

i would like to say, though, this thread has been very enlightening to say the least. i agree with alot of what has been said in this thread, that being said, im just a person that prefers defintive answers or the most definitive answers we can get (with confidence) by mulitple researchers coming to the same conclusion beyond a doubt.

am i wrong or right ? neither, just my way of thinking.
are other people wrong or right for not thinking/being that way ? no, just other ways of thinking

to sum up, i belive ibd is real, bad, and can infect mulitple snakes in same general area.

is it spread through contact, i belive so, but nothing is fact (yet)
do pythons die quicker than boas once infected, i believe they do, but again, nothing is fact
do pythons die of different symptoms than boas, i believe so, but yet again, nothing is fact

until these and other questions are answered beyond a doubt and fully proven, all we can do as individuals is go with what our own thoughts and beliefs and instincts

This isn't really the time or place to be introspective any more. You've listed your own speculations this multiple times on the thread which is can be counterproductive, even harmful. You might lead someone to think, "If someone in the animal health field is doubting this paper is fact, then perhaps he is right!".

This paper is what we have to go on, and this is what we will have to use until we find something more tangent about this disease!

Originally Posted by sally-dog

This isn't really the time or place to be introspective any more. You've listed your own speculations on this multiple times on the thread which can be counterproductive, even harmful. You might lead someone to think, "If someone in the animal health field is doubting this paper is fact, then perhaps he is right!".

This paper is what we have to go on, and this is what we will have to use until we find something more tangent about this disease!

WOW my GRAMMER AND SPELLING!
I NEED to correct this, if ya don't mind!

Unfortunately Dr. Jacobson is one of the only people I'm aware of that is studying this and other reptile related diseases. The funding and interest just simply aren't there.