was I wrong?

In a recent thread in this forum, I told somebody that breeding a bumblebee to a normal may not result in bumblebee offspring. I am certainly no expert on BP genetics, but my thought is that, sure, with a large enough clutch, there may be a bumblebee...but there is a higher likelihood of normals and single trait animals (pastels and spiders) in the typically small BP clutch. Recently, I have seen several ads (from more than one seller) that appear to be claiming otherwise...with wording/phrasing to the effect that:
bumblebee x normal = bumblebees
bumblebee x pastel = killerbees

Nobody corrected me in that thread, but if I was mistaken I would like to go back and clarify things. There is enough misinformation out there, without me contributing to it, lol

Well, unless I completely don't understand the genetics you should get pastels, spiders and normals with a slight chance at a bumblebee. But the bee to a pastel should give a chance at killerbees, super pastels, spiders, pastel, bumblebee and normals.

Long shot at a bee breeding to a normal.pastels,spiders and normals.breed your bee to a spider or pastel for a high dollar clutch.maybe not so high dollar after this summer.hahaha

so you are saying that I was correct in my thoughts/explanation?
In essence, the scenario I painted was 10 good eggs + 3 slugs total from 2 normal females (bred by a bumblebee).

Its a crap shoot what will come out of those eggs - you could easily end up with 5 normals, 3 pastels and 2 spiders, assuming that all 10 eggs hatch (there are numerous possibilities, my main point is that you might not get a bumblebee).

Originally Posted by Ed Clark

Long shot at a bee breeding to a normal.pastels,spiders and normals.breed your bee to a spider or pastel for a high dollar clutch.maybe not so high dollar after this summer.hahaha

well, the person I was addressing had two normal females, and really liked bumblebees...so she was talking about purchasing a male bumblebee to breed with them

Originally Posted by hhmoore

so you are saying that I was correct in my thoughts/explanation?
In essence, the scenario I painted was 10 good eggs + 3 slugs total from 2 normal females (bred by a bumblebee).

suggest to her to purchase a male pastel.which is very cheap right now,and buy the female bee which is much less pricey than the male bee.that would be agreat breeding

oh,and offer to take the 2 normal females off her hands.

lol - I have enough normal females...Once my pastel and spider females are of age, most of the normals will be going.

And that is pretty much what I explained...went on to tell that I had purchased 1.3 pastels and 1.1 spiders for less than the cost of a bumblebee (that was before the initial male fell through...and now there is another female spider, because I just had to have her, lol)

harald,well it looks like you got bitten by the bp bug,cool snakes though.

Originally Posted by Ed Clark

harald,well it looks like you got bitten by the bp bug,cool snakes though.

If I breed them, and get babiest that consistently start on f/t (or switch after a feeding or two), I might get bitten by that bug. Until then, I want my bumblebee...the bestest bumblebee I can make, even if it takes several years of selective breedings to get it, lol. The normals I have are 05s that I bought for resale...a few of them I decided I liked (they hissed and struck at me), the others I just forgot to sell, now they seem to have squatters rights. roflmao