Hey guys and girls

You may want to check the classifieds..... Look at the post for the venomoid albino mono cobra...... Do you think I uncovered something?????

You have to becareful when attacking someone selling voids on a classified. If you can not prove it proof positive insighting a name calling or flame war makes people who are trying to stop the illegal surgery look like nothing more then radicalist.

It is best to ask simple straight forward questions for anyone viewing the thread to read. Thus making the Buyer think about the quality and care the seller has shown to his animals and if in fact they { the buyer} maybe contributing to an illegal act.

The place for inquirey's on a specific seller are for the BOI not the classifieds. Yet again attacking in gang fashion only lends to people making accusations that people agaisnt Voids are no better then radical inviromentalist. We need to come of as what we are True passionate herpers who care about the animals and the care the recieve.

Basing our questions on the facts of any pertaining law and or medical relevance. A flame war gives the wrong impression and thus can have the reverse affect creating more curiousity to a potential buy which will in the long run do nothing more then create a new potential buyer for the seller which leeds to more venomoids to be created to supply the demand.

What the ....?????!!!!!!

Simple If somone is selling voids and you say. You are a liar about how or where it was voided and your a no good s%^ LIAR WITH NO REGUARD OR RESPECT FOR THE ANIMAL YOU NO GOOD Motherf. or anything to that end or similar . Then what do you think you look like to anyone who reads that?



Try using this to ask the seller about the snake for sale.

Who performed the surgery?

Surgery
AWA regulations require that survival surgeries be performed using aseptic
techniques and that major operative procedures on nonrodents be performed only in dedicated surgical facilities. Nonsurvival surgeries require neither aseptic techniques nor dedicated facilities if the subjects are not anesthetized long enough to show evidence of infection. Research facilities doing surgical demonstrations while traveling must use aseptic techniques and dedicated surgical facilities. Motel meeting rooms and auditoriums do not qualify as dedicated surgical facilities.

Was the surgery Performed under the above guidlines?


Do you have medical records?

Health Records 3

AC 3.4
Health records are meant to convey necessary information to all people
involved in an animal's care. Every facility is expected to have a system of
health records sufficiently comprehensive to demonstrate the delivery of
adequate health care. For those facilities that employ one or more full-time
veterinarians, it is expected there will be an established health records system consistent with professional standards that meets and probably exceeds, the minimum requirements set forth in this policy. For facilities that do not employ a full-time veterinarian, it is suggested the health records system be explained as part of the written PVC, to ensure involvement of the attending veterinarian in developing the system. For all facilities, health records must be current, legible, and include, at a minimum, the following information:


! Identity of the animal.

! Descriptions of any illness, injury, distress, and/ or behavioral
abnormalities and the resolution of any noted problem.
! Dates, details, and results (if appropriate) of all medically-related
observations, examinations, tests, and other such
procedures.
! Dates and other details of all treatments, including the name,
dose, route, frequency, and duration of treatment with drugs or
other medications. ( A "check-off" system to record when
treatment is given each day may be beneficial.)
! Treatment plans should include a diagnosis and prognosis, when
appropriate. They must also detail the type, frequency, and
duration of any treatment and the criteria and/ or schedule for
re-evaluation( s) by the attending veterinarian. In addition, it
must include the attending veterinarian's recommendation
concerning activity level or restrictions of the animal.


Examples of procedures which should be adequately documented in health
records include, but are not limited to, vaccinations, fecal examinations,
radiographs, surgeries, and necropsies. Routine husbandry and preventive
medical procedures (e. g., vaccinations and dewormings) performed on a group of animals may be recorded on herd-health-type records. However, individual treatment of an animal must be on an entry specific to that animal. As long as all required information is readily available, records may be kept in any format convenient to the licensee/ registrant (e. g., on cage cards for rodents).


Health records may be held by the licensee/ registrant (including, but not limited to, the investigators at research facilities) or the attending veterinarian or divided between both (if appropriately cross-referenced), but it is the responsibility of the licensee/ registrant to ensure that all components of the 4 records are readily available and that the record as a whole meets the requirements listed above.


An animal's health records must be held for at least 1 year after its disposition or death. (Note: Some records may need to be held longer to comply with other applicable laws or policies.) When an animal is transferred to another party or location, a copy of the animal's health record must be transferred with the animal. The transferred record should contain the animal's individual medical history, information on any chronic or ongoing health problems, and information on the most current preventive medical procedures (for example, the most recent vaccinations and dewormings). For traveling exhibitors, information on any chronic or ongoing health problems and information on the most current preventive medical procedures must accompany any traveling animals, but the individual medical history records may be maintained at the home site.

As you can see if the surgery was conducted by a licensed Vet the records must be kept up to an in some cases more than a year. Do you have these records? If not why? can you obtain them?

That is the laws related to surgery. It is very difficult to start a name calling arguement with facts. Though im sure a certain few would to try and take the light off their Illegal and Cruel activities. Yet by sticking to fact and not allowing thier arguement you will never look like a fool.