white-sided everglades

how rare are white-sided everglades ratsnakes? Are they just not very popular? I have seen white-sided black rats advertised on a fairly regular basis on one forum or another, but very rarely see a white-sided everglades. In fact, a search online barely pulled up any reference to them.

I just bought my first everglades ratsnake yesterday, a white-sided female, and I will likely want a mate for her eventually. I would like to see more pics of these snakes if possible (adult pics preferred.) I'm just wondering if nobody has an interest in this variety or if they truly are just difficult to come by.

charlene

I had one i had planned to breed to an amel "bubblegum" rat (a yellow, black and Everglades cross from Kathy Love) that was from Dwight Good, and was a nice snake...definately preferred not to be held tho lol...Maybe as the popularity of one American rat snake, the corn snake, continues to grow some of the others, like the 'glades, yellows and grays, will pick up some...

I see them every so often for sale...Just seems a matter of low interest rather than a rarity of them...

Does anyone have comparison pics of the WS yellow rats VS the WS everglades? Besided a subtle difference in color - what would the major differences be? These 3 snakes are originally from: Andy Barr, Dwight Good, and Gulfcoast Herps.

These are my first everglades rats ever. I have had corns for years, and I have occasionally ended up with a wild caught yellow rat (these guys tend to show up in the most unwelcome places, like my mouse room. I used to breed doves and would find yellow rats in the avairy too.) Is there a significant temperament difference between the everglades and yellows? I've never had a captive bred yellow rat, and never kept a wild caught long enough to try to tame it.

thanks,
charlene

I have 2.1 adult yellow rats that I purchased just over a year ago as WC's. They acclimated very well, and 1.1 were actually mating before I could get the second male out of his bag. I feared that their disposition would be similar to what I've heard and seen from Everglades Rats, but they have NEVER struck at me. I know it's not a fair comparison of three yellows to dozens of adult corns, but in my snake room, the yellows (and my pair of grays for that matter) are easier to handle and less flighty/nippy than my average corn. Even though they were just collected and acclimated last year, the female laid two large healthy clutches (both in her feeding tub minutes after eating... I have no idea why, but it makes it easy to collect the eggs!). The babies were smaller than corn babies, and I found out the hard way that they could fit through the holes made by a soldering iron.

I HOPE that their mutations (white side and albino) become more popular, as I think they hold a lot of potential as a good pet snake, but as cka said, I think there is still somewhat of a lack of interest. The adults I have are the brightest yellows that I have seen, and look quite impressive in a semi-aboreal set up.

Just my thoughts...

Oh yeah, I suppose I could try to answer your question too...lol

As far as the comparison between yellows and everglades, it seems that the yellows range from a gray-green to a bright yellow, whereas the everglades are generally more of an orange color. I've seen pics of baby WS yellow, but not of the ws everglades.

There are no 'true' white sided everglades they were bred with yellows to get the WS trait then bred back to Glades to get the proper color. Really they are just intergrades but I prefer my Glades pure anything else I don't care if it is pure.

Whitesided everglades were originally marketed as "Ghost Glades" when Gulf Coast came out with them. They have been long before the WS blackrats that was originated by George Miskimmon who marketed them as "Licorice Stick blacrats".

I obtained some of first licorice and Ghost Glades and marketed the babies as "whitesided's" instead of the other terms to better describe them.

Here is a pic of a WS everglades aka Ghost Glades

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another WS Everglades:
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here is a WS Blackrat (aka Licorice Stick)
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I also crossed the two. (WS blackrat X WS everglades) and got babies. The gene was allelic and produced all WS babies. I have since abandoned the whole project a few yrs ago.
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I also bred the WS blackrat and WS everglades into a albino sunglow corn and am waiting to produce a albino WS sunglow.

Rainer what happened to the Ghost glades? I would love to get my hands on some pure ones but 95% anymore are mixes.

Originally Posted by crazycorn

Rainer what happened to the Ghost glades? I would love to get my hands on some pure ones but 95% anymore are mixes.

As far as I know Dave and Sheila said that the Ghost Glades were not crossed with Yellow rats. Maybe somebody bred a male WS evrglades to produce hets because they did not have a Everglades female handy.

I think the ones that myself and Dwight good had were directly from Gulf Coast so anyone that got them from one of us has the original line.

There are the ones I crossed but those sold for more money than a ws black or ws everglades so I don't know why someone would misrepresent them. But it is possble someone bred that back to a pure form and was not honest about the offspring.


Thats why you need to know the person you are buying from. I walk through snake shows today and I can't beleive how many snakes are being sold as pure that are not. Even the sellers that are honest really don't know what they are selling because they were mislead by the person who sold them the snakes in the first place. It takes years in the hobby to recognize this of course.