Piebald Hognose

Has anyone (else) purchased het piebald Hognose from Terry Lilley? I have been told he never had any. Any info. would be appreciated.
Dr Jon Esposito

Jon, reading your post stimulated our curiosity about the possibility of a Pied hognose snake. We did a search on Terry and found a photo of a male pied hognose. The picture is not of very good quality and if it were us we would want to see a better photo. Here's the link to the photo we had seen Pied hognose Anyone else have an opinion?

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Brian and Terry...That snake is AWESOME!! When I first read the thread, I thought he was kidding? No such animal, I thought!...MAN!, was I proven wrong! A picture's worth a thousand words! ...OK, so maybe a fuzzy picture is worth 500 words! Close enough! lol....Neil

call me a skeptic.

but every other picture is clear and good quality....
except for the piebald.

If it were me and I had such a stunning animal,
it would probably be the only high quality picture I would have.
I would make sure it would be the best picture.

and no I am not saying they are lying. spam_I am just saying...
they have all those high quality pictures of normals and incubators.....but they can't take a decent pic of the piebald hognose WHY

Very good point...

Actually, its a point that's easily explained. Note that there is a notation under the picture that states that it is not theirs. Gateway only has hets, and the pic of the pied sire to those hets was supplied by Terry Lilley.

Actually there is such an animal. spam_It is owned by a breeder back east, and hets from this animal have been produced and I know of at least two individuals with the offspring from the original animal. spam_Whether the trait can be proven, well that is still in the making. &nbsp;It is not in the possession (pie-bald that these particular hets came from) of Terry Lilley to the best of my knowledge. spam_It's actually a rather long story on this one spam_<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> spam_ spam_
but the animal does exist..

Stephen Emerick

and yet another very good point, I missed that one Ken.

Aside from the dozens of people that I know that have never recieved money and/or animals promised from Terry Lilley, if you take the pied hognose picture and study it closely under good lighting you will be able to clearly see that the photo has been retouched and that it is a picture of a normal hognose that has had editing done to it. Anyone that purchased "hets" is going to be dissapointed. I have also heard half a dozen different stories from half a dozen different people who talked to the guy who produced the photo and took credit for the animals. Every one of them was told different age/size/availabilty/clutch size etc. When these animals are old enough to breed in 1 1/2-2 years there are going to be a bunch of lawsuits. Evan Stahl

Very good point Evan.

Now it is getting interesting.....what is the real story behind the piebald.
Yes the picture looks totally fake. &nbsp;It was so fake I did not feel the need to point it out.

Now I ask....why was it pulled from Gateways website?
Is it because they realized it was fake.
Is it because....well anyone know?