Lending Boa out for breeding was a mistake I guess

Rachel is a pathological liar.  I have quite a collection of her lies documented and this is only a sample of what she is about.  Many of us have butted heads with her and have had bad dealings and are quite frankly fed up with her on many levels.

Joe?  LOL...what do you call wholesale anyway?  You are the highest priced rodent dealer on the net.  Rodentpro and Cajunmice have you beat hands down.  Blacklist me all you want.  I can't afford your inflated prices anyway.

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will have difficulty buying rodents at other than retail prices</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

JOE BRANT of MiceOnIce.com
I can't believe those words cam out of you.
You have just lost tons of business.
Your mice are one of the most expensive out there.
I personally currently recommend RodentPro.com.
They are much nicer. spam_And if there is a problem they correct it.
I DO NOT RECOMMEND your company MiceOnIce.com simply because of your BAD ATTITUDE

With you if there is a problem you seem to bring up lawsuits and you also seem to bring up the only two "law" words you know, libel and slander.

JOE BRANT of MiceOnIce.com What you said is BAD

p.s. spam_Little hint Joe. spam_You will have a hard time black listing someone from your competitors.


To everyone...If you e-mail Joe...you will automatically be added to his e-mail junk list. spam_You will start receiving Junk Mail from him.

Joe get me off your list. spam_I do not like your Junk Mail. spam_And if your Junk e-mails are a reflection of your business.....fill in the blank

Make no mistake about it, Rachel did indeed screw Lori on this mattter- her own words provide the "smoking gun". The odds are that Lori will never get the neonates that she's owed, but we now know that there's two more people in this business that should be avoided:

1) Rachel Rodgers, who- like so many others, was ensnared by her own words. Also, let's examine a little something that Rachel said:
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who is their right mind would take a male boa from
anyone for 5 months, house it, feed it, along with the gravid boa, house and feed all the babies, and then agree to a 50/50 split? </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
&nbsp; &nbsp; a) The only reason that the male was in your care for five months is because you failed to return it on time.
&nbsp; &nbsp; b) Animals are often out on breeding loan for many months at a time- sometimes even years. During that time, it's up to the person or institution housing the pair to provide for their care. Offspring are nearly always split 50/50. In the event of an odd number of offspring, the extra one generally goes to the owner of the female.

Joe Brant- who really needs to get over himself. Banned from your site Joe? You may want to go ahead and ban me as well, because, after reading those emails, I'm left with the impression that you actively condone theft by deception.

Also, let's consider your comment about "having difficulty buying rodents at other than retail prices". Isn't that pretty much close to what your customers pay anyways? Your rodents are consistently more expensive (up to twice as much) than others, such as Rodentpro and The Mouse Factory- both of whom I'd recommend over you.

Finally, I'd recommend adding one more "rule" to your Adoption Connection forum...
7. Any factual posts that call a moderator's integrity into question will be deleted by that moderator. Our moderators are angelic, and would never scam someone, despite evidence to the contrary.

Cheers,
Ken Harbart

Wow, this guy must be pretty powerful to blacklist someone from the whole hobby. spam_Ill make sure i dont anger him. spam_

I use rodent pro and i have had no problems at all and have nothing but good to say about them.

It seems shady when someone deletes posts from an open forum (as long as the post does not conflict with the forum rules).

Justin Wilson

Fred..

Yeah I know that ! I thought I had known her well, guess i was mistaken on that one a bit for awhile. Once I found out/ figured out what was going on in regards to other stuff. I had to "bite my tongue" for quite a long time even in fact in order to assure that I got my male boa back in fact. Until that time I didn't say much and was getting emails, pms, ims and the like from many people asking "why haven't you put your two-cents in on what's going on in regards to Rachel and what she has been up to?" Once I got my male back, I did ! AND It was with the facts, which can NOT be termed as libel and or slander [ ALL backed up with fact ]. I'd want the same thing of anything someone else had to say in regards to me. Ya got no facts?? Then keep your mouth shut is all ! Isn't that what anyone would want or expect even ? It's not asking for much at all IMO.

As far as MOI goes...

Like I said elsewhere...
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LMAO Ted!! spam_I doubt he could even do such a thing hehe. But for the record.. I do NOT get my rodentia from Rodentpro even though I fully endorse them 110% for feeders. Only reason being ..I have a GREAt supplier that fullfills my rodentis needs that is basically local to where I live..and their price can NOT be beat hehe. [ They do me a favor on pricing due to the rescue that I do with reptiles is it actually hehe]

I used MOI awhile back.. AND ONLY once at that. AND Here's ALL I am saying in regards to that even...

Rodent Pro is the way to go !</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

RODENT PRO

Allthough I most likely will not see any of those babies from clutching[s] or monies for such from Rachel..I still have faith in most of humanity involved in the reptile world as to their honesty etc. Experience, learn and move on I guess....

Joe Brant.. You can also take me OFF your junk mail list for that crap you are sending out too ! I don't need it at all either !

BTW.. Julius... You need to place your full name when posting on this board here. His full Name is Brett Gardner. Was first post and am sure he "missed" that note regarding such or forgot. I'll let him know about it though.

hehe OK...sorry...My name is Brett Gardin actually. &nbsp;I do not tend gardens. &nbsp;Gardin is a french name meaning Studmuffin I think.

I wrote to Rachel, trying to get her to respond in someway. &nbsp;I just received this email from Rachel. &nbsp;It reads:

>Rachel, I do not know you, but if there is some way that Lori is wrong about this, why not show it to everyone? &nbsp;

Simply because I don't have the energy or time to sit on my computer all day digging up old posts and e-mails. I've got better things to do with my time.

>Why delete messages she posted without answering them? &nbsp;

Because she posted this message on a board where it breaks the rules. I'm not going to further break the rules just to make her happy. I replied to her in e-mail.

>Why not just give her half the clutch her male sired? &nbsp;If she's a liar, you need to out her for it. &nbsp;If she's not, you need to do theright thing.

I asked her for a post or an e-mail where I made that agreement. She won't have one because that agreement was never made. Who in their right mind would house and feed both parent boas and all the babies and then agree to half???!! All she did was have one less snake to feed for 4 months, I did all the work and put out all the $$ to make it happen. BTW, that pic that's being tossed around of "her" boa and mine breeding is 2 of my FEMALE snakes...lol! Check out other pics of Sidney and Aprodite in my photo album <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>


Thanks,
Rachel Rodgers

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Now, in case anyone missed it, she said,

"BTW, that pic that's being tossed around of "her" boa and mine breeding is 2 of my FEMALE snakes...lol! Check out other pics of Sidney and Aprodite in my photo album <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>" &nbsp;

She didn't say where her photo album could be found. &nbsp;I checked printroom.com and didn't find anything there. &nbsp;I have no reason to believe Rachel on this, but I thought you all might like to know that this is what she's putting out now!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who in their right mind would house and feed both parent boas and all the babies and then agree to half???!! </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Umm Rachelle I have said it before.
Someone else has said it before...
That is the going rate. &nbsp;50/50
Ask anyone who has breeding loans going.

I have a breeding loan going with Kim...Well I did until I decided to sell my male to her...But it was for 50/50

I have two breeding loans with Mark. &nbsp;The deal is 50/50

I am getting an albino male boa on breeding loan from a gentlemen in Kentucky. The deal is 50/50

I am also borrowing this albino male boa from my friend who lives down a couple blocks....the deal is 50/50.

Ask anyone else here with breeding loans from other people.
I bet the deal is 50/50. &nbsp;If not then it is close

Lori,

I know it will be difficult, because the male is covered up by the female in that first pic you posted, but could you post another picture of your male? &nbsp;That way, maybe we could see clearly enough to determine that it IS your snake in there with one of Rachel's females? &nbsp;Then, she would have to take back what she wrote to me or be branded an absolute liar.

Is this possible for you do for us all?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Simply because I don't have the energy or time to sit on my computer all day digging up old posts and e-mails. I've got better things to do with my time.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Devising more scams? Or trying to sell/adopt out animals and give improper care info?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Because she posted this message on a board where it breaks the rules. I'm not going to further break the rules just to make her happy. I replied to her in e-mail.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ah yes, it broke the unwritten rule that I listed in my earlier reply.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I asked her for a post or an e-mail where I made that agreement. She won't have one because that agreement was never made. Who in their right mind would house and feed both parent boas and all the babies and then agree to half???!! </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The ignorance and lack of integrity keep shining through.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All she did was have one less snake to feed for 4 months, I did all the work and put out all the $$ to make it happen.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
In your own mind, I'm sure that's rationale enough for screwing other people- but this is reality. Also, note that you still can't seem to keep your lies straight. That sentence of yours sounds like an admission that Lori's male did breed at least one of your females.

Yes Rachel, I know you're trying to weasel out of it any way you can, but the fact still ramains that you're a thief and a liar.