Jason Kiper-what a pleasant experience

I made a trade with Jason Kiper (jaykiper666@hotmail.com) in early August. It was a straight up trade, my 1.1 breeding sized African House Snakes for his 1.1 Western Hognoses. I shipped the house snakes out on 8/5/02 with a cold pack, and they arrived safely 8/6/02. It was a "driver release", and he agreed to let me know as soon as they arrived. My concern is that a package is going to get to a wrong address, or the recipient isn't going to be there to recieve them. He finally responded the morning of 8/7/02 (24 hours after delivery) that they had arrived safely! Jason lives in Chandler, AZ, and I knew they were starting a heat wave at the time (>100 degrees). I told him I was aware of this, and that he could ship out whenever he felt it was safe. Weeks passed, but we remained in contact. He even told me that the 0.1 house snake had laid 14 slugs on 8/9/02. I told him I wasn't surprised they were slugs, since they hadn't been together since I originally got them in April, but that house snakes lay eggs incessantly.
 The weeks kept passing, and  noticed the temps in Chandler were going down. My questions to him about how soon he would be shipping my snakes started to go unanswered. Finally last week, I asked him flat out, "Do you have the snakes you owe me?". Of course no response. I wrote him asking if he had received my question. He stated that when he opened his e-mail, all of his messages were deleted. I restated the question. After several days of no response, I e-mailed for him to simply get ahold of me. After a couple more days, I sent him a message saying to contact me ASAP. After still no response, I e-mailed him that I expected to hear from him or my next step would be to go to the BOI. That message was sent by me yesterday (Wednesday) morning. This is the response I received today. I'll C&P this as best as I possibly can:

>From: Jay Kiper <jaykiper666@hotmail.com>
>Date: Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:21 PM
>To: snakes@rochester.rr.com <snakes@rochester.rr.com>
>Subject: Re: trade


you know what, screw it man-i'll ship to you today under these
conditions,its 108,RIGHT NOW,so it'll probably get to 115 or so.i WILL NOT
gaurantee live arrival!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!if they die its on your
hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!.........................


>From: "snakes" <snakes@rochester.rr.com>
>To: "Jay Kiper" <jaykiper666@hotmail.com>
>Subject: trade
>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:10:22 -0400
>
>Jason,
> &nbsp; &nbsp; I expect to hear from you or my next step will be going to the BOI.
>Bryan





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&nbsp;What a pleasant response! I checked the weather in Chandler right after receiving this message, and it stated the current temperature as 88 degrees, with an expected high of 98 degrees.
&nbsp;The other ironic thing was that over the last few weeks Jason has been posting ads for other animals. If you check the ads, you will see him selling a retic, a red eyed hypomelanistic savannah monitor (?), 1.1 leopard geckos (9/22), 6.5 leopard geckos (9/14). Several of the ads said that if you would paypal the money by Sunday, he would ship on Monday.
&nbsp;I cross referenced the address he had me ship the snakes to, and it appears to be an apartment building with 23 occupants, none of which have the last name Kiper.
The address was:
&nbsp; &nbsp; Jason Kiper
&nbsp; &nbsp; 727 S. Hartford St
&nbsp; &nbsp; Chandler, AZ, &nbsp;85225
&nbsp; &nbsp; jaykiper666@hotmail.com

&nbsp; He frequently just signs his ads "Jay", and if you go to profile, there is no other information other than he registered 5/3/02 at 13:15.

&nbsp; I have learned a lot less valuable lessons in life, that cost far more. I will anxiously await my package tomorrow. I don't know what to expect, no package, long dead snakes, no snakes? The possibilities boggle the mind! I will be sure to follow up here tomorrow letting everyone know what I did or didn't receive. But in the meantime, "Be careful out there"!

P.S.- If anyone is really interested, I still have copies of all of our correspondence (there were about 20 e-mails all together). When I did get responses, it was mostly just small talk. Things were quite civil until this last week.

wow..i had to read that a couple of times to get the guist of it..it started by sounding like a good guy thing and went downhill right after..
see what happens tomorrow..the emails arent very friendly though ill admit..that part leaves alot to be desired. there was a problem a while back between jason and jody pieper where jason accused jody of some wrong doings..im surprised you didnt see the post on it..anyhow..its the ole wait and see game..hopefully for the snakes sake it all works out ..
ill keep my fingers crossed for you.

I wanted to try and make it as objective as possible by just laying out the facts (with a little sarcasm thrown in). I did see the problem between Jason and Jody, but to tell you the truth, I couldn't really figure out what was going on there. My concern from the beginning has been the animals, that's why I have let it go on as long as it has, waiting for the temps to drop in Arizona. He even has the reusable cold pack that I shipped with my snakes. He could use it to ship the hogs back to me.
&nbsp;As an aside, &nbsp;several weeks ago I posted after one of Jay's ads for him to get ahold of me about our trade. After this I received an e-mail from a 3rd party who also told me that Jason owed him 2 pairs of snakes, and that Jason had been avoiding him for several weeks. For now, I'll keep this person out of it, since this situation is between Jason and me. If the other person wants to come forward publically, I'm sure he will. I'm interested in hearing if anyone else has had problems, or if anyone lives near Chandler, AZ?

like always i emailed the starting party directly-i'm sure he'll post it.
i'm also sure everone knows i feel this is a crock of s**t.
the adress above is where i was going to be on that day.
my info is:Jason Kiper &nbsp;727 s.hartford ave.#201.Chandler,AZ 85225

Did you ship the snakes, Jay? &nbsp;And why wait so long when the temps were low enough to ship? &nbsp;I think between you and the weather channel, I will take the weather channels conclusion on what the temp is. &nbsp;What of these other claims of you owing people snakes. &nbsp;You have a lot of answering to do.

Since Jay says he is sure I will post his most recent message to me, here it is,

to start off with,as it was already stated on the BOI,my van broke down and
i was'nt able to ship.
i hate to tell you but the weather info you are receiveing is wrong.check
the pheonix temps.the highs have'nt been below 100 yet!!!
you dont know anything about me(besides the fact that i care about
animals,and dont want them to die!!)why would you try and drage my name down
over that?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>???
how is it a crime that i'm not a geek,sitting on the computer all day???i'm
lucky if i check my emails once a day!!between work,kids,a wife,and my
reptiles-i'm busy-not ignoring anyone!!!!!!!!!!!


&nbsp;I did just check the Accuweather web site, and it is CURRENTLY 90 DEGREES IN CHANDLER, AZ., with an expected high of 99 degrees.
&nbsp;I think most persons using this site have other commitments in their lives. I know I have plenty of them, but "If you can't walk the walk, don't talk the talk". I wouldn't ever commit to something unless I was sure I could deliver. If you are so concerned about shipping animals, why do your ads (for a retic, and 2 different groups of Leopard Geckos) from a couple of weeks ago say that if PayPaled by Sunday, you would ship Monday?
&nbsp;Just to be fair, if you want to deposit the $125 I was originally asking for the snakes into my PayPal account, we can call it even. I will eat the shipping.
&nbsp;Otherwise you can just correspond with me here in public so this doesn't turn into a "he said", no "he said" p**ss*ng match.

To be fair, Jay didn't put the "smiley faces" in the above message. Somehow when I copied and pasted his e-mail to this message, this site added the faces where 2 colons were in the original message.

to be fair this is why i have never screwed anyone in a deal, i don't want to be trashed nor could i afford it!!! <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> i don't know how he could heck i barely have any real costs and if i did this i know i would be screwed.

I'm going into Tuesday without any snakes, no money in the PayPal account and no word from Jason since the last message that was seen here. I'm still waiting for; 1.1 western hognoses; or $125 in the PayPal account; or just for kicks, how about sending me the House Snakes back, NEXT DAY AIR, IN AS GOOD OF CONDITION AS YOU RECEIVED THEM IN. I know someone in CA that is trying to feed a hungry Indigo, and maybe I can convince him that that might be the least expensive way for him to go in the long run.
&nbsp;I'll keep everyone posted until this situation is resolved satisfactorily. Luckily I'm a computer geek, and I can spend every minute of the day looking at my computer.LOL!

no word no snakes no cash? thats a joke.
its not like 125 is alot of money ...why he cant just paypals you and get it over with is amazing..
not good advertisement for jason kipers business ethics. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>